Meetings 30 March 2008

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The 30 March 2008 meeting 4 Freedom

Our meeting of the 30th of march in the year of our Lord 2008:
[13:00] Grunt Ultsch: hi all
[13:00] Songwind Apogee: Hi Grunt
[13:00] Wolfear Clawtooth: joking with him the other nite, told him he sould put a Vista t-shirt on it..lol
[13:00] Rover Smit: hey Grunt
[13:01] Catharina Jacobus: hey Grunt
[13:01] Wolfear Clawtooth: Hiya Grunt
[13:01] Alexise Stransky: heya Grunt
[13:01] Songwind Apogee: I saw a pig, it seemed to be having convulsions.
[13:01] Gennady Markstein: Hi Grunt
[13:01] Catharina Jacobus: That pig is not so bad as that wasps
[13:01] Alexise Stransky: ))))
[13:01] Wolfear Clawtooth: i got chased by wasp other nite...almost could not get rid of them
[13:01] Catharina Jacobus: me too, they attacked me
[13:01] Alexise Stransky: that wasps makes me angry
[13:02] Grunt Ultsch: Sorry about the wasps. They are gone now
[13:02] Songwind Apogee: Wasps?
[13:02] Catharina Jacobus: Yes, a whole nest of them
[13:02] Toga Yorkshire: I'm thinking that a round table would better, so everyone could see and be seen by all.
[13:02] Wolfear Clawtooth: really annoying..cool, but annoying
[13:02] Samira Kirax: me too...Grunt hope u stay peaceful ;-)
[13:02] Grunt Ultsch: They have been removed onfriday already, probably by trade
[13:02] Catharina Jacobus: Yes I called Trade for help
[13:02] Songwind Apogee: I must have missed them.
[13:02] Rover Smit: u;re a lucky guy then!
[13:03] Grunt Ultsch: They wont be back, and if they will they'll be less protective
[13:03] Catharina Jacobus: They scared everyone off
[13:03] Toga Yorkshire: They were too shovey for me ;-)
[13:03] Catharina Jacobus: And they did bite too
[13:03] Grunt Ultsch: They havent been there long
[13:04] Catharina Jacobus: the only safe place was my pyramid
[13:04] Alexise Stransky: =)
[13:04] Alexise Stransky: and my station
[13:04] Grunt Ultsch: Yes, they couldnt enter caths parcel
[13:04] Wolfear Clawtooth: lol..so it was a "curse of the pyramid"?..lol
[13:04] Songwind Apogee: Grunt must be trying for a hostile takeover.
[13:04] Catharina Jacobus: yes, that too :-)
[13:04] Rover Smit: well ok, maybe now we can back to hte meeting?
[13:04] Rover Smit: *the
[13:04] Catharina Jacobus: no it was Grunt´s curse
[13:04] Catharina Jacobus: yes, back to meeting
[13:04] Catharina Jacobus: all welcome, nice to cu you all
[13:05] Grunt Ultsch: same here
[13:05] Catharina Jacobus: As we do not have an agenda (again) what should be discussed? Suggestions please
[13:06] Wolfear Clawtooth: ummm...Grunt added a link to the Mission Statement page, so plz check it out and give some feedback
[13:06] Catharina Jacobus: Did everyone see that?
[13:06] Rover Smit: nope
[13:06] Samira Kirax: no...where?
[13:06] Alexise Stransky: nope
[13:06] Catharina Jacobus: if not, it is here: http://4freedom.a.wiki-site.com/index.php/User:Wolfear
[13:06] Songwind Apogee: Where was the link added?
[13:06] Coobe Paine: hi
[13:07] Coobe Paine: hows it going
[13:07] Grunt Ultsch: I will give feedback, I think the subject is very important
[13:07] Coobe Paine: hehe
[13:07] Coobe Paine: got a flightfeather
[13:07] Catharina Jacobus: I think it is an exellent start
[13:08] Coobe Paine: plus i am part of ama gi
[13:08] Songwind Apogee: Crud. RL calls. Sorry to meet and run.
[13:08] Wolfear Clawtooth: only other thing I have is still waiting for Freenode to contact me and approving our group. There is a section on the same page as the Mission Statement regarding IRC also
[13:08] Coobe Paine: ah i see
[13:08] Coobe Paine: then welcome
[13:09] Coobe Paine: any idea what the big meeting about
[13:09] Coobe Paine: ah freedom group
[13:09] Coobe Paine: ok
[13:09] Grunt Ultsch: I hear coobe all of the time but I dont see him
[13:09] Coobe Paine: hi grunt
[13:10] Catharina Jacobus: I do not hear nor see him
[13:10] Grunt Ultsch: hi coobe :) Where are you?
[13:10] Wolfear Clawtooth: i hear, but can't see
[13:10] Alexise Stransky: he is at upper deck
[13:10] Grunt Ultsch: He hears me too
[13:10] Coobe Paine: on the landing baty
[13:10] Wolfear Clawtooth: oh
[13:10] Alexise Stransky: near the danau's ship
[13:11] Catharina Jacobus: there he is.. welcome Coobe
[13:11] Grunt Ultsch: We're having a meeting here coobe, and we hear you all
of the time so would you be so kind to ...?
[13:11] Catharina Jacobus: did you get lost?
[13:11] Grunt Ultsch: Ah there you are
[13:11] Catharina Jacobus: ok, back to the mission statement..
[13:11] Coobe Paine: thank you
[13:12] Wolfear Clawtooth: I have some prelim up, but could really use the input on expanding it into something useful
[13:12] Catharina Jacobus: We are discussing this Coobe: http://4freedom.a.wiki-site.com/index.php/User:Wolfear
[13:12] Catharina Jacobus: the mission statement of our group
[13:12] Catharina Jacobus: Grunt you said you had something to contribute to it?
[13:13] Catharina Jacobus: Can it be placed on a page that we can all edit?
[13:14] Grunt Ultsch: Yes, actually the page I made and published tuesday also had to do with it. It was about the defenition of 'free' and how to implement it on SL objects
[13:14] Wolfear Clawtooth: sure..i can put a copy on the dicussion page or a second section on the main page. I just thought it would be easier to have comments instead of mass editing to avoid confision and people accidentally writing over each other.
[13:14] Samira Kirax: yep...I agree with Walfear...mass editing may confuse
[13:15] Samira Kirax: Wolfar, sorry ;-)
[13:15] Wolfear Clawtooth: lol..np. I'm used to it
[13:15] Grunt Ultsch: A special discussion page would be good. I can make one, but you are free to do it yourself too of course, Wolfear
[13:15] Wolfear Clawtooth: i have a discussion page already set up
[13:15] Grunt Ultsch: oh, didn't notice it, must have been very recently then
[13:16] Catharina Jacobus: ok, so lets all try to have a look at it this week and add our comments
[13:16] Wolfear Clawtooth: been there since the start. I probably forgot to put a link in the page body, but the tab for it should be at the top
[13:16] Grunt Ultsch: I didnt see it in 'recent changes' but if it's there I will edit the link page
[13:17] Catharina Jacobus: Is that ok by everyone?
[13:17] Grunt Ultsch: sure
[13:17] Coobe Paine: no problem
[13:17] Samira Kirax: ok
[13:17] Wolfear Clawtooth: i also have a "comments" area atthe bottom of the main page as an alternative
[13:17] Catharina Jacobus: I think Wolf made a very good start with it, so thanks for that
[13:17] Wolfear Clawtooth: np...i just took what was already there and tried to use it
[13:18] Catharina Jacobus: Also Grunt made a page on the wiki for free building
[13:18] Wolfear Clawtooth: i musta missed that on yesterday. I'll check it out
[13:18] Catharina Jacobus: http://4freedom.a.wiki-site.com/index.php/Free_objects
[13:19] Catharina Jacobus: I think that is also very good work and important for new builders entering our group
[13:19] Grunt Ultsch: thanx
[13:19] Catharina Jacobus: So maybe there should be something on land with a link to that for new builders
[13:20] Alexise Stransky: i dont' have any xperience with exterior design so i can't help you at the ground
[13:20] Alexise Stransky: tried = unsuccessful
[13:20] Wolfear Clawtooth: got it bookmarked, I'll read it this afernoon
[13:20] Wolfear Clawtooth: is ther a link to the wiki anywhere on theground?
[13:21] Grunt Ultsch: I don't think so
[13:21] Grunt Ultsch: But it sounds like a good idea to me
[13:21] Catharina Jacobus: Yes I think at the link to our group there is
[13:21] Grunt Ultsch: Where? In the pyramid?
[13:21] Catharina Jacobus: it is in the pyramid and also in the ubuntu shaped building
[13:21] Toga Yorkshire: Should be part of the information kiosk
[13:22] Catharina Jacobus: the ubuntu shaped building is also sort of an information kiosk
[13:23] Wolfear Clawtooth: i found the wiki from the gruop info after jooining so nvere noticed the otheres
[13:23] Wolfear Clawtooth: gah..typo central today
[13:23] Catharina Jacobus: Think it would be good to add a link to the Wiki somewhere too
[13:24] Grunt Ultsch: A big wiki board on the isle would be welcome
[13:24] Catharina Jacobus: Yes
[13:24] Grunt Ultsch: Who will make one? If noone volunteers, I will
[13:24] Grunt Ultsch: 3
[13:24] Grunt Ultsch: 2...
[13:25] Catharina Jacobus: Guess you then Grunt
[13:25] Grunt Ultsch: 1..
[13:25] Grunt Ultsch: ok :)
[13:25] Grunt Ultsch: I will make one
[13:25] Catharina Jacobus: ok fine
[13:25] Grunt Ultsch: I can put it on my parcel
[13:26] Wolfear Clawtooth: guess I could see about making a texture with the logo from the wiki if there isn't one already
[13:26] Catharina Jacobus: We could also take an action to try to convince Linden that objects should be free in the first place and not like it is now
[13:26] Alexise Stransky: Wolf take this
[13:26] Coobe Paine: might work
[13:26] Catharina Jacobus: So that people have to take action if they want to protect them
[13:26] Wolfear Clawtooth: ty Alex...didn't know for sure.
[13:27] Grunt Ultsch: That would be a great idea, cath, but very ambitious
[13:27] Grunt Ultsch: SL is so commercial, I cant believe they'll do it
[13:27] Wolfear Clawtooth: you mean free as in perms or free as in cost?
[13:27] Catharina Jacobus: free as in perms
[13:28] Grunt Ultsch: freedom is not about money but about restrictions
[13:28] Wolfear Clawtooth: right..just was n't sure what direction that was headed
[13:28] Catharina Jacobus: Maybe we could start a petition for it or so
[13:29] Catharina Jacobus: or just write them a letter..
[13:29] Grunt Ultsch: Or both, I think a petition would be best
[13:30] Grunt Ultsch: I could set up a wiki page with a list of names
[13:30] Catharina Jacobus: A petition would be nice, if that could be build and people could sign it in world
[13:30] Catharina Jacobus: Do you think that is possible Ronnie?
[13:30] Grunt Ultsch: It can be made easily
[13:31] Catharina Jacobus: really?
[13:31] Grunt Ultsch: oh, not sure about signing inworld
[13:31] Catharina Jacobus: That is why I asked Ronnie, but is he awake?
[13:32] Alexise Stransky: Maybe http://www.petitiononline.org?
[13:32] Alexise Stransky: afair
[13:33] Alexise Stransky: com*
[13:33] Grunt Ultsch: An inworld petition would be cool, you could sign it by a simple click
[13:33] Catharina Jacobus: Yes I know that site.. it is also a good option
[13:33] Gennady Markstein: Hi Steve123 :))))
[13:33] Alexise Stransky: Hi Steve
[13:33] Steve123 Honi: hi
[13:33] Rover Smit: hey Steve
[13:33] Samira Kirax: hi
[13:33] Catharina Jacobus: oh there you are, hi Steve
[13:33] Wolfear Clawtooth: hiya steve
[13:33] Coobe Paine: hi steve
[13:33] Ronnie Fargis: inworld is prwetty good to do...
[13:33] Ronnie Fargis: just click and accpet
[13:34] Catharina Jacobus: yes, but there name should be on a list then
[13:34] Ronnie Fargis: sure np
[13:34] Coobe Paine: ok got to go, sorry all
[13:34] Alexise Stransky: Ronnie is lists has limitations of size?
[13:34] Wolfear Clawtooth: are you thinking of simple liske a simple counter to record clicks?
[13:34] Coobe Paine: got visitors
[13:34] Ronnie Fargis: it can even with sensor, voting when you acces the islad :P
[13:34] Catharina Jacobus: ok, so first we need to make the text for the petition
[13:34] Gennady Markstein: .
[13:34] Coobe Paine: see you all
[13:34] Catharina Jacobus: ok bye Coobe
[13:34] Catharina Jacobus: take care
[13:34] Alexise Stransky: cya
[13:34] Rover Smit: bye
[13:35] Wolfear Clawtooth: later coobe
[13:35] Catharina Jacobus: I can try to set up something on the wiki
[13:35] Catharina Jacobus: might need some help of the native english..
[13:35] Object: Hello, Avatar!
[13:36] Grunt Ultsch: Anyone can make comments when it's on the wiki cath
[13:36] Catharina Jacobus: yes or edit
[13:36] Grunt Ultsch: right
[13:36] Catharina Jacobus: that is ok then, will do that
[13:36] Wolfear Clawtooth: i speak english and bad english so guess can help with that part
[13:36] Catharina Jacobus: great :-)
[13:37] Grunt Ultsch: I have the feeling that before this meeting is over we have an inworld petitioner
[13:37] Catharina Jacobus: haha
[13:37] Alexise Stransky: ага русски
[13:37] Alexise Stransky: ага русский и матерный русский мля))
[13:37] Catharina Jacobus: some people can not sit still for one hour :-)
[13:37] Alexise Stransky: oops
[13:37] Catharina Jacobus: haha, translate alexi
[13:37] Alexise Stransky: meant russian and mature russian)))
[13:38] Samira Kirax: if I've time to edit I we'll help...I'm not nativ but had some years training 4 written
[13:38] Wolfear Clawtooth: off topic..does anyone speak, or at least read, italian?
[13:38] Catharina Jacobus: not me, why?
[13:38] Catharina Jacobus: In the past we had lots of Italians.. but all gone
[13:38] Samira Kirax: a very little...mostly food topics :-)
[13:39] Catharina Jacobus: like pizza and spaghetti
[13:39] Wolfear Clawtooth: need help translating some script. Not a meeting topic, just curios for later.
[13:39] Catharina Jacobus: I know someone for u if you need
[13:39] Catharina Jacobus: remind me later
[13:39] Wolfear Clawtooth: k..thnaks
[13:39] Catharina Jacobus: ok, more meeting subjects?
[13:40] Grunt Ultsch: What's his name pier something
[13:40] Catharina Jacobus: yes
[13:41] Wolfear Clawtooth: on petition..what areas should it be concentrating on...likea full perm for everything or conditional?
[13:41] Grunt Ultsch: I can think of some subjects
[13:41] Catharina Jacobus: I will write something on that, so let´s discuss that next week
[13:41] Wolfear Clawtooth: k
[13:42] Catharina Jacobus: I am a bit worried about representing the FSF here
[13:42] Grunt Ultsch: Standard everything should be free. Now everyone builds proprietary objects without even knowing it.
[13:42] Toga Yorkshire: I noticed on the 4freedom wiki I set my preferences for e-mail for all changes but haven't ever received anytrhing yet, that was 2 weeks ago.
[13:42] Catharina Jacobus: As we are still very short of prims and I still would like to do something on that as soon as possible
[13:43] Catharina Jacobus: oh that is odd, I can have a look but not sure if I can do anything about that
[13:43] Catharina Jacobus: Hi user
[13:43] Alexise Stransky: Hi User?
[13:43] user123 Handrick: hi all
[13:43] Wolfear Clawtooth: hi user
[13:43] Rover Smit: hi user123
[13:43] Grunt Ultsch: hi 123
[13:43] Gennady Markstein: hi user
[13:43] Catharina Jacobus: So what about the FSF?
[13:43] Grunt Ultsch: What about it?
[13:44] Catharina Jacobus: Well they give there acceptance on repsrenting them here but we have no prims left
[13:44] Grunt Ultsch: hmmm, I see...
[13:44] Grunt Ultsch: Then we should get more prims.
[13:45] Wolfear Clawtooth: if we package some of the extraneous things so thatthey aren't rezzed all the time, would that save some prims?
[13:45] Catharina Jacobus: We won have more prims until the end of april I think
[13:45] Grunt Ultsch: That would be accetable
[13:46] Wolfear Clawtooth: a box with a texture displaying content might work
[13:46] Alexise Stransky: let's use new feature of SL viewer
[13:46] Alexise Stransky: i am about HTML on a prim
[13:46] Alexise Stransky: is a media texture
[13:47] Steve123 Honi: ack
[13:47] Steve123 Honi: this is modern
[13:47] Grunt Ultsch: Isnt prims simply a matter of money?
[13:47] Wolfear Clawtooth: that one is beynd me
[13:47] Catharina Jacobus: I think what Alex means is linking a website to an object
[13:47] Alexise Stransky: nope
[13:47] Alexise Stransky: !!!
[13:47] Object: Thank you for signing the petition
[13:47] Catharina Jacobus: haha
[13:48] Catharina Jacobus: thank you Ronnie :-)
[13:48] Catharina Jacobus: ok, explain Alex
[13:48] Ronnie Fargis: almost done...
[13:48] Grunt Ultsch: hurry ronnie
[13:48] Alexise Stransky: cath try to assign stream to texture
[13:48] Ronnie Fargis: gg..
[13:48] Catharina Jacobus: yes hurry, the meeting is almost over :-)
[13:48] Object: Thank you for signing the petition
[13:48] Object: You have already signed
[13:49] Wolfear Clawtooth: Alex..would that cause banswidth issues?
[13:49] Catharina Jacobus: Alex??
[13:49] Alexise Stransky: hmmm don't know
[13:49] Alexise Stransky: look to blog.secondlife.com
[13:49] Catharina Jacobus: What you mean is that a website shows on an object or not?
[13:49] Alexise Stransky: teo
[13:50] Alexise Stransky: yep
[13:50] Catharina Jacobus: yes, seen that
[13:50] Wolfear Clawtooth: sounds interesting, but would a static texture be simpler?
[13:50] Catharina Jacobus: it is still very limited, but it is something
[13:50] Alexise Stransky: aargh my network connection is awful, i cant give you direct link
[13:50] Catharina Jacobus: I think it is not hard to do
[13:50] Object: Time has expired, plz sign again
[13:50] Catharina Jacobus: but thing is you can not navigate the website yet
[13:51] Alexise Stransky: you don't need it
[13:51] Alexise Stransky: just make special page
[13:51] Catharina Jacobus: But they are working on that
[13:51] Alexise Stransky: for that purposes
[13:51] Wolfear Clawtooth: i'll have to read up on it, but assume visitors would need steams enablesin their prefs for that to work as that would be a media stream of some sort?
[13:52] Catharina Jacobus: Then it is more simple to do that with the website of the FSF
[13:52] Alexise Stransky: the limitation is one that "stream" per parcel =(
[13:52] Catharina Jacobus: hmmm
[13:52] Alexise Stransky: but you can subdiv land
[13:53] Alexise Stransky: and set different streams for each part
[13:53] Catharina Jacobus: well we could do that until more prims arrive
[13:53] Wolfear Clawtooth: k...guess my basic question is, what advantage does this have over usnig regualr texture or object?
[13:53] Alexise Stransky: updating regular texture costs money
[13:53] Alexise Stransky: object is simplest but ugly-looking way
[13:54] Alexise Stransky: like text over object
[13:54] Object: Hello, Avatar!
[13:54] Wolfear Clawtooth: k..i see where you are going now
[13:55] Catharina Jacobus: ok, we can sort that out and I will check with Trade again for the new island
[13:55] Alexise Stransky: =)
[13:55] Catharina Jacobus: Have not seen him in a while
[13:55] Catharina Jacobus: Ok, about the new website.. what functionallity do we need/want?
[13:55] Catharina Jacobus: 5 minutes left...
[13:56] Wolfear Clawtooth: open disucssion area like a forum
[13:56] Grunt Ultsch: I have 2 more subjects but we hardly have time for one
[13:57] Catharina Jacobus: Can they wait until next week Grunt or are they urgent?
[13:57] Grunt Ultsch: I think they better wait till the next meeting
[13:57] Grunt Ultsch: They are not urgent
[13:57] Catharina Jacobus: ok fine
[13:57] Catharina Jacobus: any other ideas then about functionality of the website?
[13:57] Toga Yorkshire: Just name them for us to think about.
[13:58] Samira Kirax: if you tell us subject we may prepare...?
[13:58] Grunt Ultsch: Ok Toga: 1) Try to get an island of our own. 2) changing the entrance of the pyramid
[14:00] Wolfear Clawtooth: don't have a lot of $, but willing to help with donations for island if we ever get soemthing set up.
[14:00] Toga Yorkshire: 1. Trade working on? 2. Cath owns the pyramid
[14:00] Object: Thank you for signing the petition
[14:00] Catharina Jacobus: Trades island will not be ours
[14:00] Wolfear Clawtooth: oh..k
[14:01] Catharina Jacobus: We can use a quarter of it
[14:01] Grunt Ultsch: It is a matter of money indeed, Wolfear, and I think it is too much, but I'm not sure
[14:01] Alexise Stransky: so about 4000 prims?
[14:01] Catharina Jacobus: yes
[14:01] Toga Yorkshire: To own an island, money must be paid.
[14:02] Wolfear Clawtooth: i read several complaint today on SL site about land prces, mayeb that would make a good peitiion
[14:02] Alexise Stransky: big money =\
[14:02] Toga Yorkshire: Good topics for the next meeting - hint.
[14:02] Grunt Ultsch: yes :)
[14:02] Wolfear Clawtooth: yes
[14:03] Grunt Ultsch: Can we dance on the table now?
[14:03] Catharina Jacobus: well ok, just help me a bit please to think on what you want on the website
[14:03] Catharina Jacobus: Do you want us to contact eachother through it?
[14:03] Catharina Jacobus: individual profile pages?
[14:03] Toga Yorkshire: A maling list works.
[14:03] Ronnie Fargis: \20 sdh
[14:04] Wolfear Clawtooth: some CMS have an IM-type of messagin built in. I'll have to check on..drupal (is that correct?)
[14:05] Catharina Jacobus: I know that, but boyrfriend wants to know what functions we want to use
[14:05] Catharina Jacobus: a lot is possible but if we do not use it...
[14:05] Wolfear Clawtooth: a newsletter functionalty definitely
[14:06] Catharina Jacobus: ok, thanks
[14:06] Grunt Ultsch: We better first find out what we want
[14:06] Catharina Jacobus: I will open a wiki page for that
[14:06] Catharina Jacobus: and list the things that have been said here
[14:06] Wolfear Clawtooth: beat me to it..was just going to ask that
[14:06] Catharina Jacobus: ok:-)
[14:07] Catharina Jacobus: Thanks a lot all for being here and your contributions
[14:07] Catharina Jacobus: End of meeting :_0
[14:07] Toga Yorkshire: Good meeting, again.
[14:07] Catharina Jacobus: Grunt, would you do the log on the wiki?
[14:07] Grunt Ultsch: We have worked overtime
[14:07] Samira Kirax: thanx Cat
[14:07] Grunt Ultsch: ok
[14:07] Catharina Jacobus: thnx
[14:08] Catharina Jacobus: yes overtime, we deserve a beer