Meetings 10 Febuary 2008

From 4freedom

Fifth Meeting

[13:00] Alexise Stransky: so let's meeting begin )
[13:00] You: YES
[13:00] Alexise Stransky: 1.00 PM
[13:00] Alexise Stransky: =)
[13:01] Wolfear Clawtooth: doh..was just gonna brb for a sec
[13:01] You: ok
[13:01] Ronnie Fargis: im back..
[13:01] Ronnie Fargis: just on time
[13:01] You: yes, very good Ronnie :-)
[13:01] Grunt Ultsch: What are all these ppl doing here? Don't they know we are about to have a meeting here
[13:02] You: haha, they even were all one hour early :-)
[13:02] You: well most of them
[13:02] Wolfear Clawtooth: bak
[13:02] Wolfear Clawtooth: sorry about that...coffe got to me
[13:02] You: np
[13:02] You: ok, so where to start?
[13:02] You: the party of next week?
[13:03] Grunt Ultsch: ok
[13:03] You: for people that don't know, we planned a party for next week
[13:03] Wolfear Clawtooth: oh..cool
[13:03] Moelwyn Sodwind: Has anyone created a quiz?
[13:03] Wolfear Clawtooth: quiz?
[13:03] You: not me
[13:04] Grunt Ultsch: Not yet, but I have volunteered
[13:04] Ronnie Fargis: i created a script...
[13:04] Moelwyn Sodwind: That was on the agenda two weeks ago
[13:04] Ronnie Fargis: its not bugfree...
[13:04] Moelwyn Sodwind: A free software quiz...
[13:04] Ronnie Fargis: but if someone has questions, i can test it
[13:04] Ronnie Fargis: basicly it works
[13:04] You: Yes, but last week there was hardly anyone at the meeting and not much happened since then
[13:05] Wolfear Clawtooth: what types of questions are you looking for?
[13:05] You: on free software, free culture
[13:05] Grunt Ultsch: A script is not necessarily for a quiz. I visited one last week, and it was fun
[13:05] Moelwyn Sodwind: anything to do with the free software movement? Possibly, linux console command stuff?
[13:05] You: no tech stuff!
[13:06] Moelwyn Sodwind: aawwww...
[13:06] Moelwyn Sodwind: How we gonna learn?
[13:06] You: Then I can not participate
[13:06] Grunt Ultsch: About anything
[13:06] Wolfear Clawtooth: Maybe have a quiz for tech/non-tech?..would that be a hassle?
[13:06] You: hmmm people that make the questions can't...
[13:07] Grunt Ultsch: You wont be able to answer some questions cath, or shall I make a quiz which consist fully of questions of which you know the answer of?
[13:07] Moelwyn Sodwind: ie. How did K3B software get its name?
[13:07] You: YEs please Grunt
[13:07] Terwarf Brezoianu: whats about collecting questions in the wiki?
[13:07] Wolfear Clawtooth: lol..i just read that one last week and can't remember...lol
[13:07] You: hmm then everyone knows them in advance
[13:07] Moelwyn Sodwind: 3B's = Burn Baby Burn
[13:08] Terwarf Brezoianu: ;)
[13:08] You: Anyway, you want to make the questions Grunt?
Grunt Ultsch: Yes, unless someone else volunteers
You decline Calli's 'Faces' exhibit from A group member named Callipygian Christensen.
[13:08] You: I can help with it if you like
[13:08] Wolfear Clawtooth: I'll toss some in as I think of them
[13:08] Moelwyn Sodwind: I dont mind adding a few for inclusion
[13:09] You: ok lets all send them to Grunt
[13:09] Grunt Ultsch: Ok, just message me your questions
[13:09] Wolfear Clawtooth: Terf Idea of using the wiki might make things easier except everyone could read them..lol
[13:09] Grunt Ultsch: right wolf :)
[13:09] Terwarf Brezoianu: right, too lol
[13:09] Moelwyn Sodwind: ...and the answers? he'll win everytine!
[13:09] You: Grunt is excluded from the quiz
[13:10] Wolfear Clawtooth: Grunt..i'm reconfiguring my system, so I'm sure I can toss a few your way
[13:10] You: He is the quiz master
[13:10] Grunt Ultsch: Yes, unfortunately I cant win this time, but maybe the next time someone else will be quizmaster
[13:10] Moelwyn Sodwind: How non-techy do they have to be?
[13:11] Grunt Ultsch: Can be about anything. I'll give you an example from the quiz I visited last week: What's that white stuff that falls from the sky?
[13:11] Wolfear Clawtooth: FUD?
[13:11] Ronnie Fargis: snow...
[13:11] Grunt Ultsch: no
[13:12] Grunt Ultsch: yes
[13:12] Ronnie Fargis: gg
[13:12] Moelwyn Sodwind: lol...oh it hasnt got to be about Linux?
[13:12] You: Will you wear a hat Grunt?
[13:12] Grunt Ultsch: And then the next question was : what's that stuff that falls from Britney Spears nose?
[13:12] Moelwyn Sodwind: cocaine
[13:12] Terwarf Brezoianu: snow?
[13:12] You: :-)
[13:12] Wolfear Clawtooth: lol
[13:13] Grunt Ultsch: I will wear a hat if you want me to
[13:13] You: It makes it more official; a quizmaster with a hat
[13:13] Grunt Ultsch: And I will dress up
[13:13] You: yes
[13:13] Moelwyn Sodwind: Nothing saucy tho
[13:13] You: What else for the party?
[13:13] Grunt Ultsch: I'll dress up decently
[13:14] Moelwyn Sodwind: :-)
[13:14] You: We got a musician, but no dj-s yet
[13:14] Wolfear Clawtooth: someone mentioned earlier needing some things built..anything simple a relative non-builder can help with?
[13:14] Grunt Ultsch: Is that the same musician we had earlier?
[13:14] Moelwyn Sodwind: Should there be a prize for the winner of the quiz?
[13:14] You: yes
[13:14] Grunt Ultsch: He was good :)
[13:15] You: maybe a prize is nice
[13:15] Grunt Ultsch: Of course
[13:15] Moelwyn Sodwind: A night with you Cath?
[13:15] You: hehe
[13:15] Trade Flow: thats not a prize
[13:15] Moelwyn Sodwind: :-)
[13:15] Moelwyn Sodwind: lol
[13:15] Trade Flow: thats a penalty
[13:15] Sydney Hesse: lol
[13:16] You: thanks Trade!
[13:16] Grunt Ultsch: Please let's keep it decent
[13:16] Trade Flow: the quiz master has spoken
[13:16] You: hihi
[13:16] Trade Flow: he sets the rules
[13:16] Wolfear Clawtooth: @DJs..how hard would it be to use a radio stream?
[13:16] Grunt Ultsch: I suggest the price will be a night with trade
[13:17] You: it would be nice if someone could make something nice for the winner
[13:17] Trade Flow: ronny's tombula
[13:17] Sydney Hesse: I have a product that my froup and i sell. not very Opensource.. but is VERy nice. voted best vehicle .
[13:18] Ronnie Fargis: tombula?
[13:18] You: ok, could be nice
[13:18] Trade Flow: the lottery
[13:18] Ronnie Fargis: ah
[13:18] Sydney Hesse: if interested in using that for a prize, i can rez it out
[13:18] You decline SeaDream Club Music & Art Auditorium from A group member named Ri Riederer.
[13:18] Ronnie Fargis: thats, ok for me... but its already free
[13:18] You: yes show it off
[13:18] Grunt Ultsch: If we have a prize it will of course have to come with pull permissions
[13:19] Wolfear Clawtooth: cooll..a puddle jumper
[13:20] Trade Flow: what is this drill sound?
[13:20] You: great, it looks cool
[13:20] Wolfear Clawtooth: sweet
[13:20] Euan Jacobus: see you guys later!
[13:20] You: See you Euan
[13:21] Terwarf Brezoianu: cu
[13:21] Euan Jacobus: bye!
[13:21] Grunt Ultsch is Offline
[13:21] You: I think that would be a cool prize
[13:21] Terwarf Brezoianu: mee too
[13:21] Sydney Hesse: but, like is aid. it's not opensouirced. so may be a conflict of interest there
[13:21] Trade Flow: cant drive it, the controls are no in klingon
[13:21] Trade Flow: not
[13:21] Sydney Hesse: lol trade
[13:21] Wolfear Clawtooth: lol trade
[13:21] You: yes, but you could give it with permissions?
[13:22] Sydney Hesse: no, it's a group product so it's not my decision
[13:22] Sydney Hesse: i was the scripter
[13:22] Ronnie Fargis: maybe i can sponsor an puzzle...
[13:22] Ronnie Fargis: their all open
[13:22] Sydney Hesse: Ronnie's puzzles are nice
[13:22] Grunt Ultsch is Online
[13:23] You: Yes
[13:23] Ronnie Fargis: Hanoi, sliding puzzle or tic-tac-toe..
[13:23] Ronnie Fargis: or the winner can choose
[13:23] You: it should be a special one for the winner
[13:23] Ronnie Fargis: how i can make it special?
[13:24] Terwarf Brezoianu: hmm different textures / size / funny sound??
[13:24] Trade Flow: have the picture of the avatar at the corner
[13:24] Ronnie Fargis: hmm
[13:25] Moelwyn Sodwind: If theres going to be regular quizes there should be a wall of fame.
[13:25] Trade Flow: and a wall of shame
[13:25] Sydney Hesse: Agreed
[13:25] Wolfear Clawtooth: good idea
[13:25] Moelwyn Sodwind: lol...Put my name down already
[13:25] Terwarf Brezoianu: hehe
[13:25] Sydney Hesse: I can make the Wall of fame
[13:25] You: Hi Tux
[13:26] Ronnie Fargis: coobe made one for me...
[13:26] Ronnie Fargis: maybe a cool prize too
[13:26] You: He left his plane here
[13:26] You: Well we could do 3 prizes maybe
[13:27] You: Do we object to the non free prize by Sydney?
[13:27] Moelwyn Sodwind: Not me...but then I use Pclinuxos
[13:27] Wolfear Clawtooth: no objection here
[13:27] You: haha
[13:28] Grunt Ultsch: Non free prize?
[13:28] Moelwyn Sodwind: We have to pay for it?
[13:28] You: Yes, no copy, no mod
[13:28] You: No, we get it for free
[13:28] You: Have you not seen it Grunt?
[13:28] Moelwyn Sodwind: lol...I know :-)
[13:28] Sydney Hesse: it's copy, no mod, no trans
[13:28] Grunt Ultsch: If we'd give a nonfree prize we'd make a fool of ourselves
[13:29] Ronnie Fargis: what about making a prize...
[13:29] Ronnie Fargis: with full perms
[13:29] Moelwyn Sodwind: Yeah... 4freedom... doesn't go well with non-free
[13:29] Sydney Hesse: yes, is a HUGE conflict of interest. but on the same note, its lame to give away a prize that can be freely picked up by all
[13:29] Ronnie Fargis: some cup, with the name of the winner on it..
[13:30] Sydney Hesse: is there an alternative to prizes?
[13:30] You: Well if the winner would get it and he only can decide to give it away, it would be ok
[13:30] Grunt Ultsch: We could also give a money prize
[13:30] Ronnie Fargis: so every one can get a copy, but his name is stil on there
[13:30] You: yes, something like that
[13:30] Sydney Hesse: money prize is good.
[13:30] Moelwyn Sodwind: An Eee pc
[13:30] Ronnie Fargis: gg
[13:30] Sydney Hesse: still, you cqan't print your own money ;)
[13:30] Moelwyn Sodwind: :-)
[13:30] Terwarf Brezoianu: lol
[13:30] Trade Flow: money is not free copy and mod
[13:30] You: haha
[13:31] Ronnie Fargis: lol
[13:31] Trade Flow: its free transfer only
[13:31] Grunt Ultsch: money is not an object
[13:31] Wolfear Clawtooth: tell that to my wife
[13:31] You: money is ok, but a bit boring too
[13:31] Moelwyn Sodwind: What about if everybody puts a small amount into a fund via paypal?
[13:32] Trade Flow: can make an object (a derivative)
[13:32] Sydney Hesse: be easier if we keep it in SL
[13:32] Moelwyn Sodwind: yeah true
[13:32] You: What if we leave it up to Ronnie to make something
[13:33] Trade Flow: poor ronnie :-)
[13:33] Ronnie Fargis: why always me. gg
[13:33] Grunt Ultsch: I have over 4000 LD, so I can easily afford to donate a prizefund of 1000 LD for exampl
[13:33] Sydney Hesse: I could make a donation box which it logs all deposits and gives a sum total. and would go into the group owbners account
[13:33] Grunt Ultsch: A made prize by ronnie would be very good to
[13:33] Moelwyn Sodwind: I gave all mine away at a pole dancing club
[13:33] Sydney Hesse: lol
[13:33] Trade Flow: if grunt donates 1000 I will donate 1001 :-)
[13:33] You: :-)
[13:34] Terwarf Brezoianu: ;)
[13:34] You: and me 1002
[13:34] Grunt Ultsch: Then it may get busy
[13:34] Trade Flow: make an auction, who donates higer we make the prize in his/her/its name
[13:34] Grunt Ultsch: lol
[13:35] Grunt Ultsch: the quiz is going to be fun!
[13:35] Moelwyn Sodwind: What ahppens to the worst scorer? Walk the plank or something?
[13:35] Moelwyn Sodwind: happens
[13:36] Grunt Ultsch: We can have both prize money and an object made by ronnie
[13:36] Trade Flow: here is a question for the quiz: "What makes OOXML so great" :-)
[13:36] Wolfear Clawtooth: nothing
[13:36] Grunt Ultsch: and the answer is...?
[13:36] Grunt Ultsch: lol
[13:36] Ronnie Fargis: bribing...
[13:36] Trade Flow: nothing
You: good answer
[13:36] Moelwyn Sodwind: Its got an ooooo sound in it?
[13:36] Terwarf Brezoianu: lol
[13:36] Grunt Ultsch: So everyone who didnt speak gave the right answer
[13:37] Trade Flow: the answer is another question "how much?"
[13:38] Sydney Hesse: I have a feeling were all going to flunk ;l)
[13:38] Moelwyn Sodwind: lol
[13:38] Grunt Ultsch: I wont approve of another question to be the answer of a previous one
[13:38] You: provide for a big wall of shame
[13:38] Grunt Ultsch: Too complicated for me
[13:38] You: But did we agree on prizes now?
[13:38] Grunt Ultsch: no
[13:38] You: Well we should
Sydney Hesse: free porn collection maybe? we alllike porn here i am assuming ;)
[13:39] Grunt Ultsch: That would not be decent
[13:39] You: ehhhhh
[13:39] Trade Flow: circuit porn
[13:40] Grunt Ultsch: I like some prize with the pic of the winner of it
[13:40] Wolfear Clawtooth: how about a "I bought Vista now all I can afford is this t-shirt" t-shirt
[13:40] You decline SeaDream Club Music & Art Auditorium from A group member named Neil Morrison.
[13:40] Sydney Hesse: johnny 5 is alive and bad 2
[13:40] Terwarf Brezoianu: hehe
[13:41] Trade Flow: who will give the prizes?
[13:41] Grunt Ultsch: me of course
[13:41] Moelwyn Sodwind: A copy of Vista could be the prize for the worst player
[13:41] Trade Flow: which edition?
[13:41] Wolfear Clawtooth: you got a mean streak Moel
[13:41] han Reve is Online
[13:41] Moelwyn Sodwind: Ive got a free one with my laptop
[13:41] Moelwyn Sodwind: home
[13:42] Sydney Hesse: I must admit, i use vista on my HTPC, and must admit. it is the most stable, and fastest pc in my house. yet it has the slowest specs. am i crazy?
[13:42] You: ok, we let Ronnie work on something
[13:42] You: If that is ok with him
[13:42] Moelwyn Sodwind: Sydney: Not my experience
[13:42] Wolfear Clawtooth: Sydney..short answer...yes
[13:42] You: Hi Jami
[13:42] You: Welcome
[13:42] Sydney Hesse: except networking. its all botched
[13:42] Jamis Voom: hi
[13:42] Grunt Ultsch: Yes, let's see what he'll come up with and there will always be money prizes
[13:42] Trade Flow: hi jamis
[13:43] Sydney Hesse: no pressure ronnie ;)
[13:43] You: ok, next subject...
[13:43] Jamis Voom: hi
[13:43] Moelwyn Sodwind: is there anything else on the agenda of the meeting?
[13:43] Mornie Heckroth is Online
Terwarf Brezoianu: hi
[13:43] You: We only got 15 minutes left
[13:43] Jamis Voom: ok
[13:43] Moelwyn Sodwind: I was going to suggest that this place is great but it needs more LXers
[13:44] You: Have a seat if you like Jami
[13:44] Moelwyn Sodwind: How do we get them here?
[13:44] Grunt Ultsch: Bring 'm on
[13:44] You: Well the group is growing
[13:44] Sydney Hesse: a whole sim would be nice. but hard to find somone to donate a whole sim . lol
[13:44] You: We are also quite a new group
[13:44] Moelwyn Sodwind: Do we need to be more pro-active?
[13:44] You: We will get a quarter of a sim soon
[13:44] Kalilah Beck is Online
[13:45] Trade Flow: when I get the new Island
[13:45] Grunt Ultsch: We need to profilize ourselves more clearly I think
[13:46] You: But back to the party for the moment because that is already in a week...
[13:46] Moelwyn Sodwind: I got here by typing Linux into search. Perhaps we should add free sex too :-
[13:46] Moelwyn Sodwind: :-)
[13:46] You: I build something that should be a podium, but it is not much so if someone could improve that?
[13:46] Wolfear Clawtooth: that is how i found this place also
[13:46] Trade Flow: Sydney I have some naughty pics for you :-)
[13:46] Sydney Hesse: oh lord
[13:46] Grunt Ultsch: Free sex would attratc many visitors but would it be decent?
[13:47] Moelwyn Sodwind: I only jest grunt
[13:47] Wolfear Clawtooth: well..as long as it is open and free sex
[13:47] You: ahum
[13:47] Sydney Hesse: Lmao trade
[13:47] Terwarf Brezoianu: i can try too improve
[13:47] You: Thanks
[13:47] Moelwyn Sodwind: My experience in rl with Linux is that most people have never heard of it and dont even know what an OS is/does
[13:47] Terwarf Brezoianu: where is it?
[13:48] You: Anyone is welcomje to make the place look better
[13:48] You: behind you
[13:48] IM: Neil Morrison: Playing Live in 1o minutes down here Come on down ! http://slurl.com/secondlife/sunbelt%20software/240/92/27
[13:48] Wolfear Clawtooth: that is tru Moel..i find the same thing
[13:48] You: the wood block
[13:48] Grunt Ultsch: Anyone can build on this parcel
[13:48] Sydney Hesse: In US i am surprised how many people know what linux is. but never tried it
[13:48] Terwarf Brezoianu: ah, i'll do
[13:48] Moelwyn Sodwind: Tell them it boots faster and it isnt as effected by viruses and they prick up their ears though
[13:49] Wolfear Clawtooth: i think most people are just scared to change
[13:49] You: Jami, you are a singer too or not?
[13:49] Jamis Voom: yes
[13:49] Moelwyn Sodwind: How long have you lot been using Linux if you don't mind me asking?
[13:49] You: Maybe you like to perform on the party next week too?
[13:49] Wolfear Clawtooth: me?..about 2 years
[13:50] Jamis Voom: sure how?
[13:50] You: I do mind you asking, because this is a meeting...
[13:50] Sydney Hesse: well, it's hard. and it has a learning curve. i mean, sure people can play the built in games, and write stuff in a text editor. but thats about it. until they get a auto installer working properly like the .exe, and standardize it. its going to be rough.
[13:50] Moelwyn Sodwind: Im nearly 1 year
[13:50] Moelwyn Sodwind: oh soz Cath
[13:50] IM: Trade Flow: for the prize
[13:50] You: But it is almost over...
[13:50] Terwarf Brezoianu: look suse and 1-click-install from browser...
[13:50] Wolfear Clawtooth: Sydney..it does have a little bit of learning, but most distros now days are pretty easy to use
[13:51] Trade Flow: suse is great
[13:51] Sydney Hesse: '
[13:51] Moelwyn Sodwind: Isnt Suse Novell?
[13:51] Sydney Hesse: yes, has come a long way. but god forbid if they have an ati card
[13:51] Grunt Ultsch: Hey, nice, ronnie!
[13:51] Trade Flow: yes
[13:51] Sydney Hesse: moe, yes.
[13:51] Wolfear Clawtooth: and package managers work better than .exe installers imho
[13:51] Moelwyn Sodwind: The I wouldnt use it after they signed up with MS
[13:52] Sydney Hesse: if you can find your app w/ one
[13:52] Trade Flow: everybody will signup with MS
[13:52] Grunt Ultsch: That thing is excellent for the quiz!
[13:52] Wolfear Clawtooth: i haven't found anything I used in MS that I could find something in Linux
[13:52] Moelwyn Sodwind: No they won't. There will always be a hardcore
[13:52] Wolfear Clawtooth: couldn't
[13:52] Grunt Ultsch: Eh, what about our meeting?
[13:53] Wolfear Clawtooth: oops..sory Grunt
[13:53] You: no idea, is there a meeting?
[13:53] Moelwyn Sodwind: oops...ok I shut up now
[13:53] Terwarf Brezoianu: that was a mistake, but doesn't affect the openSUSE distrib, just the "professional" Versions
[13:53] Grunt Ultsch: The meeting will be over in 7 minutes so we better hurry
[13:53] Wolfear Clawtooth: so was the prize thing decided?
[13:53] You: Yes, that was decided
[13:53] Wolfear Clawtooth: k
[13:53] Sydney Hesse: i belive so, ronnie will do it
[13:54] Sydney Hesse: whats next on the agenda
[13:54] You: So, we got a quiz and a mucisian
[13:54] Grunt Ultsch: Yes, and there will be at least a 3003 money prize fund
[13:54] You: Is that enough for the party?
[13:54] Wolfear Clawtooth: the party is open to the public?
[13:54] You: Yes
[13:54] Moelwyn Sodwind: Even MS users?
[13:54] You: of course
[13:55] You: the more, the better
[13:55] You: But a sim can only host 50 people or so
[13:55] Grunt Ultsch: Yes, even those...
[13:55] Moelwyn Sodwind: But not MAC users surely...
[13:55] Trade Flow: I am an MS user :-)
[13:55] Ronnie Fargis: me too
[13:55] Euan Jacobus is Offline
[13:55] Sydney Hesse: I second no mac users =)
[13:55] Moelwyn Sodwind: heheh
[13:55] Sydney Hesse: Apple = MS wevil brother
[13:55] Wolfear Clawtooth: what about publicity..is this going to be a word of mouth?
[13:56] You: I also got an offer from the FSF for speakers or so
[13:56] You: But as long as speech does not work in Linux..
[13:56] Grunt Ultsch: good question, it's on the wiki already
[13:56] Moelwyn Sodwind: That would be great
[13:56] You: Yes, but how..
[13:56] Moelwyn Sodwind: hmmm...
[13:56] Wolfear Clawtooth: k...i haven't checked..is there a link to the wiki here?
[13:56] You: I will sent out some groupnotes
[13:57] Grunt Ultsch: Isnt speech working yet? On windlight it is supposed to work
[13:57] Terwarf Brezoianu: you can send it as a radio stream
[13:57] You: is it?
[13:57] Grunt Ultsch: Yes
[13:57] You: hmm can we test that?
[13:57] Grunt Ultsch: Sure, I'll work on it
[13:58] Moelwyn Sodwind: WHats wrong with a text speech?
[13:58] Grunt Ultsch: Voice is also easy for live concerts, or a singer like Jamis
[13:58] You: I rather invite them for a next event
[13:59] Wolfear Clawtooth: stream the speech and text for a Q &A?
[13:59] You: After we moved in to the new land
[13:59] Grunt Ultsch: To use voice you dont need a microphone
[13:59] Franq Anatra is Online
[13:59] Grunt Ultsch: For hearing I mean
[13:59] Moelwyn Sodwind: Ill have to try windlight...
[13:59] Trade Flow: if you need a microphone, ronnie will script one for us
[13:59] You: Anyway they let us know that they appreciate our efforts a lot
[14:00] Grunt Ultsch: lol trade
[14:00] Terwarf Brezoianu: *g*
[14:01] You: hmm time is up
[14:01] Grunt Ultsch: The clock says it time to go
[14:01] You: Well end of official part
[14:01] Trade Flow: ok
[14:01] Moelwyn Sodwind: Thanks for the meeting Cath
[14:01] Sydney Hesse: Indeed
[14:01] You: Time for a beer or so
[14:01] Trade Flow: exactly
[14:02] You: Thank you all for showing up