Meetings 06 April 2008

From 4freedom

The 6 April 2008 meeting of 4Freedom.

The 4freedom meeting from the sixth of April in the Year of our Lord 2008:
[12:59] Catharina Jacobus: you don´t have to sit under the table..
[12:59] Samira Kirax: hi all arriving..-)
[13:00] Wolfear Clawtooth: Samira...got your input and made some edits.
I also posted a reply
[13:00] Toga Yorkshire: Hi Cath, all
[13:00] Catharina Jacobus: Will Rover not be here?
[13:00] Alexise Stransky: he is going @home now
[13:00] Alexise Stransky: he will be later
[13:00] Alexise Stransky: точно
[13:00] Catharina Jacobus: ok, so Grunt won´t be here tonight; had to excuse him
[13:01] Catharina Jacobus: Shall we just start?
[13:01] Catharina Jacobus: Did all see the agenda?
[13:01] Trade Flow: ok
[13:01] Steven Kosten: Nope.
[13:01] Trade Flow: partly
[13:01] Wolfear Clawtooth: i missed it...wasn't paying attention when I
was on the wiki
[13:02] Catharina Jacobus:
http://4freedom.a.wiki-site.com/index.php/Meetings_Agenda%C2%B4s
[13:02] Alexise Stransky: ahahahahaaaaaa rover is drunk today
[13:02] Gennady Markstein: :)))))))))))))
[13:02] Gennady Markstein: drinker
[13:02] Wolfear Clawtooth: lol
[13:02] Catharina Jacobus: Why, did you feed him vodka?
[13:02] Alexise Stransky: hahaha)))
[13:03] Alexise Stransky: nope he lives in moscow, i live in izhevsk
[13:03] Alexise Stransky: i cant feed him vodka)))
[13:03] Catharina Jacobus: oh good
[13:03] Catharina Jacobus: Anyway, let us start with the mission statement of our group
[13:03] Catharina Jacobus: We talked on it last week already a bit and Samira gave
some comment on it
[13:04] Catharina Jacobus: I say with here that I think that the statement is quite
complete already and states what are group is about
[13:04] Wolfear Clawtooth: I madea few wording changes based on Sam's input
[13:04] Steven Kosten: Random comment. But does the cieling seem low to you?
[13:05] Catharina Jacobus: no, I got used to it
[13:05] Wolfear Clawtooth: i also think here idea for a transistional
section on informed people leading into the software freedom is a good
idea I would like to expand upon
[13:05] Catharina Jacobus: I also think that the mission statement should be short and
to the point, and it is that..
[13:06] Trade Flow: mission statement should be justbullit points
[13:06] Trade Flow: only few but to the point
[13:06] Verklikker: Kalak Rankin is op bezoek
[13:06] Catharina Jacobus: Yes well the rough draft is actually what it is
[13:07] Wolfear Clawtooth: right...should be concise and to the point.
But i think Sam's idea has merit as relevant to the introductary top section
[13:07] Catharina Jacobus: So that is not very long..
[13:07] Trade Flow: no looks fine to me so far
[13:07] Samira Kirax: it ist...& @ the moment is ok like that I
guess...it was just a little philosophical esseay
[13:07] Toga Yorkshire: Add numbers to the bullets for reference purposes
[13:07] Steven Kosten: Cant get the link to browse to the site.
[13:07] Steven Kosten: It's not launching my browser.
[13:08] Catharina Jacobus: http://4freedom.a.wiki-site.com/index.php/User:Wolfear
[13:08] Catharina Jacobus: copy and past it...
[13:08] Samira Kirax: it must be a bit clearer that is not "just" about
sorftware
[13:08] Wolfear Clawtooth: agree SAm..which is why i like the
transtional information between the freedom for information linking the
freedom of software
[13:08] Steven Kosten: Ok
[13:08] Catharina Jacobus: I think it is quite clear on that already
[13:09] Samira Kirax: just 2-3 lines...rest for an "education" shedult
or discussions be planed
[13:10] Steven Kosten: Ok so just from reading the first paragraph I get
the idea that the mission statement is saying that we promote the GNU
license agreement.
[13:11] Samira Kirax: ??
[13:11] Catharina Jacobus: This is the first line: 4Freedom is a group of like minded
individuals, based in the Second Life community, who believe human
knowledge only has value if it can be freely shared, freely used, and is
free to build upon.
[13:11] Steven Kosten: I'm sorry. Not everyone uses Linux here do they?
[13:11] Steven Kosten: Exactly Cat.
[13:12] Catharina Jacobus: It says nothing about the GPL
[13:12] Samira Kirax: yep...
[13:12] Trade Flow: I use Linux and Windows and Solaris
[13:12] Alexise Stransky: i use debian linux
[13:12] Steven Kosten: No but it talks about free information and
sharing knowledge. The ideas behind the GNU license.
[13:12] Catharina Jacobus: Yes
[13:13] Steven Kosten: I also use Deb Linux(Ubuntu) Alexise.
[13:13] Wolfear Clawtooth: The lGPL is an offshoot of the FSF
philosophy, not the core. I added a link to their page for that.
[13:13] Wolfear Clawtooth: oops..meant GPL
[13:14] Steven Kosten: Ah yeah.
[13:14] Samira Kirax: that's in fact a much older idea than any of that
existing...therefore the philosophical imput ;-)
[13:14] Steven Kosten: Thanks Alexise.
[13:14] Alexise Stransky: np
[13:14] Steven Kosten: I see what your saying Samira.
[13:15] Wolfear Clawtooth: I tried to avoid getting that in depth about
the details as my understanding is that is out goal rather than
promoting the GPL
[13:15] Steven Kosten: In my opinion the only true, pure knowledge is
available online. Mainly because once it's out there you can't take it back.
[13:16] Catharina Jacobus: ok Wolfi, maybe you can take the mission statement to a new
page and then next week we decide on the definitive tekst for the moment
[13:16] Trade Flow: wait till network nutrallity is compromised and see
how the info can be damaged
[13:17] Steven Kosten: True enough. I'm signed up for a newsletter about
how the FCC reapeatedly has tried to take away net neutrality.
[13:18] Catharina Jacobus: ehhm... is that ok by all?
[13:18] Samira Kirax: yep
[13:18] Trade Flow: yes
[13:18] Toga Yorkshire: OK
[13:18] Wolfear Clawtooth: Cath...I'll set up a section on the
discussion page where folks can provide thierviews on whatthey feel out
goals are and we'll take that and condense into a new rought draft.
[13:18] Steven Kosten: Sure.
[13:18] Wolfear Clawtooth: ug..typo central there
[13:19] Catharina Jacobus: ok Wolf but I would like to see it finished by next week
[13:19] Steven Kosten: I know what you mean. Since as I type it doesn't
keep up with me what with all the lag.
[13:19] Wolfear Clawtooth: no problem as long as we get feedback
[13:19] Catharina Jacobus: so people that want to add to it, are asked to do that
before next meeting
[13:19] Trade Flow: good idea
[13:19] Catharina Jacobus: Tnx, next on the agenda is the petition to Linden Labs
[13:19] Wolfear Clawtooth: could someone plz make a group announcement
as not all group members attends the meetings and some probably have no
idea on this.
[13:20] Steven Kosten: What is involved in the petition?
[13:20] Catharina Jacobus: There is mine, there is Grunt´s and there is a comment from
Anton
[13:20] Catharina Jacobus: It is about that creations in SL are non free if people do
not set permissions
[13:20] Catharina Jacobus: And we want to ask Linden to change that
[13:20] You decline ***** Gallery Beleza at Avendale - Main Location
from A group member named Wealthy Mizser.
[13:20] Trade Flow: Linden is not "free"
[13:21] Steven Kosten: Oh so you want to petition Linden so that the
default is free? Ok
[13:21] Catharina Jacobus: No, that is why we make a petition
[13:21] Catharina Jacobus: Well I think that is not even necissarry, but I think
people should make an activie descision on it
[13:22] Steven Kosten: I see. SL still needs a lot of work. But I don't
really consider that to be all that important.
[13:22] Catharina Jacobus: So everytime they create something, there should be a pop
up that lets them make a choice
[13:22] Steven Kosten: No offense.
[13:22] Steven Kosten: Well a popup would be nice.
[13:22] Samira Kirax: you see the dragonfly on my shoulder...it's a good
example for not full perm
[13:23] Alexise Stransky: need to rebuild=)
[13:23] Catharina Jacobus: The thing is that a lot of people are not aware of this
[13:23] Samira Kirax: someone gave it to me as a present in the very
beginning...
[13:23] You decline The Palace, Groningen Centrum ZW (235, 153, 34) from
A group member named Bo Piaggio.
[13:23] Alexise Stransky: hahahahaha drunkmaster is here))
[13:23] Samira Kirax: yep..couse the textrure of the wings was not
free...I "killd"" it
[13:23] Samira Kirax: killed :-)
[13:23] Catharina Jacobus: But Steven I think it is better you read the petitions
first before commenting
[13:23] Steven Kosten: Most of the stuff I have now was free. So ther
eis no shortage on free stuff.
[13:23] Catharina Jacobus: OMG
[13:24] Trade Flow: anybody seen this article
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39379900,00.htm
[13:24] Gennady Markstein: Hi Rover
[13:24] Steven Kosten: I agreed with you Cat. There should be a popup.
[13:24] Catharina Jacobus: We talked about the petition last week and it is already
decided that we are going to do that
[13:24] Alexise Stransky: hahahaaa
[13:24] Rover Smit: hi all
[13:24] Catharina Jacobus: Hi Rover
[13:24] Alexise Stransky: hi drunkmaster
[13:24] Trade Flow: By 2012, more than 90 percent of enterprises will
use open source in direct or embedded forms," predicts a Gartner report,
[13:24] Rover Smit: sorry, i'm late
[13:24] Samira Kirax: hi Rover
[13:25] Catharina Jacobus: Well I think I make the same suggestion for the petition..
[13:25] Trade Flow: hi rover
[13:25] Catharina Jacobus: We try to complete it before next meeting
[13:25] Catharina Jacobus: And take a definitive decision then
[13:25] Samira Kirax: I like bit more the short version of Grunt
[13:25] Steven Kosten: Is Gennady supposed to be Master Chief?
[13:25] Wolfear Clawtooth: i'm still reading it. I'll post feedback
later today
[13:25] Catharina Jacobus: Yes I think short is better too
[13:26] Gennady Markstein: lol
[13:26] Catharina Jacobus: But I think that totally reversing the situation is not the
best idea, because then the propriety people will start complaining like
we are now..
[13:26] Catharina Jacobus: And also I think that Linden won´t go for that, so better
to be realistic
[13:27] Steven Kosten: I'm not really. A popup would go good. As long as
it didn't get in the way too much.
[13:27] Steven Kosten: I'm for it. But like you said the desicion was made.
[13:27] Wolfear Clawtooth: just finished reading. I need to think in
this a bit.
[13:27] Toga Yorkshire: Let the user have a default option
[13:27] Trade Flow: me too
[13:27] Catharina Jacobus: Yes that is fine
[13:27] Steven Kosten: Good idea Toga.
[13:28] Catharina Jacobus: How do you mean Toga?
[13:28] Steven Kosten: Like on ATMs where you set a 'Quickcash' amount.
[13:28] Steven Kosten: You should be able to save a default.
[13:28] Toga Yorkshire: We all of preferences, have SL create one for
prim permission default.
[13:29] Catharina Jacobus: ok, think I understand and it is a good idea
[13:29] You decline de Drie Avatars, Groningen Centrum ZO (41, 209, 30)
from A group member named Ringo Sicling.
[13:29] Trade Flow: that is true if the default is client based, it
might be linked to the inventory database
[13:30] Toga Yorkshire: Just so it doesn't bug all of the time.
[13:30] Catharina Jacobus: Great, so we can add that to the text
[13:30] Catharina Jacobus: Agree on it that it should not be anoying ..
[13:31] Steven Kosten: Great idea. Makes SL run smoother without snags.
[13:31] Wolfear Clawtooth: tell what I find annoying..."free" items with
no cop/no mod/ no trans
[13:32] Catharina Jacobus: Well yes, that is what most of the free stuff is now...
[13:32] Toga Yorkshire: Then trhey are not free as in freedom
[13:32] Steven Kosten: No mod is annoying. But if the object isn't free.
Why would you want it to be freely distributed.
[13:32] Toga Yorkshire: BUt only price.
[13:32] Samira Kirax: exact...we could make great fun founding a
"police" for that *lol*
[13:33] Wolfear Clawtooth: if someon is publicy giing away a free item,
then the end user should have perms to use it...just my view
[13:33] Samira Kirax: mine too!
[13:33] Steven Kosten: True. If it is free it should be full perms.
[13:33] Trade Flow: there is a danger if no copy / no mod/ no transfer
is used
[13:34] Trade Flow: if avatar disappears (deleted) the objets might
disappear
[13:34] Samira Kirax: I checked some full perm places last days...no one
held what it promised
[13:34] Catharina Jacobus: oh really?
[13:34] Wolfear Clawtooth: i have encountered that a lot lately
[13:34] Catharina Jacobus: Yes, but even I forget sometimes to set the prims free...
[13:35] Wolfear Clawtooth: i bought several items which were supposed to
be full perm only to dicvoer after purchase they were not
[13:35] Catharina Jacobus: I think that happens a lot
[13:35] Catharina Jacobus: So that is also a reason for the petition
[13:35] Trade Flow: I have lost few items coz their avatars diappeard
[13:35] Toga Yorkshire: Next topic - FSF representation?
[13:35] Catharina Jacobus: Yes ok
[13:35] Samira Kirax: ok
[13:36] Steven Kosten: You'll have to explain that. I'm new.
[13:36] Catharina Jacobus: Well we asked the FSF if we could officially represent them
here
[13:36] Catharina Jacobus: And they agreed on that
[13:36] Toga Yorkshire: How can we represent the FSF in Second Life?
[13:36] Wolfear Clawtooth: my first thought is determine an easy to
access method of explain whatthe FSF is all about..not just the GPL
[13:36] Steven Kosten: Nice. But what's FSF?
[13:37] Wolfear Clawtooth: Free Software Foundation
[13:37] Catharina Jacobus: The Free Software Foundation
[13:37] Steven Kosten: Nice.
[13:37] Catharina Jacobus: Yes, main problems are that we have no prims and also that
we need ideas on how we can represent them here in a good way
[13:38] Toga Yorkshire: Do we have a main contact for them?
[13:38] Trade Flow: how much prims you need cath?
[13:38] Wolfear Clawtooth: if we had a set of notecards, I have no
problems giving them away when I talk to people.
[13:39] Toga Yorkshire: Would the FSF contact come to these meetings?
[13:39] Wolfear Clawtooth: very good question toga
[13:39] Catharina Jacobus: Yes I am in contact with John Sullivan, the manager of
operations
[13:39] Trade Flow: we have to establish a comms channel with FSF, as
certainly we dont speak for them
[13:39] Samira Kirax: I agree with Wolf & Trade...we take as many prims
as we get ;-)
[13:40] Toga Yorkshire: Then we need him to come here - ;-)
[13:40] Catharina Jacobus: Difficult to say Trade, because not sure yet what we are
going to do, but I think about 2 - 3 parcels
[13:40] Wolfear Clawtooth: i was trying to find a way to spread info on
FSF wq/o needing prima
[13:40] Wolfear Clawtooth: *prims
[13:40] Alexise Stransky: we can create irc gateway
[13:40] Trade Flow: Samira, hopefully the new island wil be end of this
month, but temporarily I can give few plots in the center
[13:40] Alexise Stransky: for FSF
[13:40] Catharina Jacobus: No I agreed with them that we make a proposal where they
will reply on
[13:40] Wolfear Clawtooth: I am still waiting Freenode aprroval of our
group. I plan to contactthem this week
[13:41] Trade Flow: why you need freenode approval?
[13:41] Wolfear Clawtooth: group has to be approved to get the group
channels
[13:41] Steven Kosten: Don't you just /join #4freedom?
[13:41] Catharina Jacobus: ok, so thanks to Trade, prims will be no problem for the
moment..
[13:41] Wolfear Clawtooth: yes you can, but that channel will not be
permenant
[13:41] Trade Flow: just join and as master set the access
[13:41] Toga Yorkshire: No problems setting up a channel on freenode.
[13:42] Samira Kirax: great :-)
[13:42] Trade Flow: ah makeing it perm is easy
[13:42] Toga Yorkshire: I'm an op on freenode #LVLUG
[13:42] Wolfear Clawtooth: registering our group gives us a reserverd
set of channel names
[13:42] Toga Yorkshire: Want me to work on that?
[13:43] Wolfear Clawtooth: sure toga..I followed the freenode
instructions to the letter for registration.
[13:43] Toga Yorkshire: Give me the names you in exact case and I'll
give it a try
[13:43] Toga Yorkshire: you want
[13:44] Wolfear Clawtooth: k..i'll IM you...back to FSF here?
[13:44] Toga Yorkshire: 4Freedom?
[13:44] Catharina Jacobus: wb Rover
[13:44] Catharina Jacobus: yes
[13:44] Rover Smit: sorry, i crashed
[13:45] Steven Kosten: I know how that is Rover.
[13:45] Catharina Jacobus: Well our main lack at the moment is that we find it
difficult to think of what we can build for them
[13:45] Catharina Jacobus: should it be a building, an open space?
[13:45] Toga Yorkshire: Ok, the 4Freedom channel on froonode is active now.
[13:45] Trade Flow: a mixture cath
[13:45] Catharina Jacobus: wow, that is fast Toga
[13:45] Rover Smit: i think it should be an open space
[13:45] Wolfear Clawtooth: oh wow
[13:45] Verklikker: alwaysc Mendelsohn is op bezoek
[13:45] You decline Into The Music....Live Music , Chindo (137, 202, 70)
from A group member named Djai Skjellerup.
[13:45] Catharina Jacobus: a mixture is nice too
[13:45] Toga Yorkshire: I'm parked on #LVLUG, so it was easy.
[13:46] Toga Yorkshire: I get it registered.
[13:46] Gennady Markstein: All to lay!!! This robbery!!!!
[13:46] Rover Smit: Genna
[13:46] Rover Smit: shut up
[13:46] Samira Kirax: plz!
[13:46] Gennady Markstein: SORRY :)))
[13:46] Trade Flow: toga I hink cath need to be registered on it
[13:46] Toga Yorkshire: Trade, no problem
[13:47] Trade Flow: coz you will be the channel master if you do
[13:47] Wolfear Clawtooth: Feel the power Cath!
[13:47] Catharina Jacobus: But I am very bad with irc
[13:47] Trade Flow: :-)
[13:48] Trade Flow: use MSN :-)
[13:48] Steven Kosten: Ok stupid question Toga. But howcome I cant
cahnge my name to Steven Kosten?
[13:48] Catharina Jacobus: hehe Trade...
[13:48] Steven Kosten: *change
[13:48] Wolfear Clawtooth: on freenode?
[13:48] You decline Demago Gallery at Aqualux, Dicycla (146, 150, 21)
from A group member named Luka Dayafter.
[13:48] Toga Yorkshire: Use the /nick command
[13:48] Steven Kosten: On #4freedom
[13:48] Toga Yorkshire: on freenode
[13:48] Steven Kosten: I did and it just changed it to Steve1.
[13:49] Catharina Jacobus: I hardly know how to get there
[13:49] Wolfear Clawtooth: dang..i uninstalled my IRC of off XP the
other day and forgot to re-install..doh
[13:49] Steven Kosten: Do you have pidgin Cat?
[13:49] Toga Yorkshire: Last topic 'The Website'
[13:49] Trade Flow: your name might be used, and steve is most certainly
locked by somebody :-)
[13:49] Catharina Jacobus: Yes, I will find out
[13:50] Catharina Jacobus: Well one other thing... please think with us on what should
be on the FSF parcels
[13:50] Toga Yorkshire: Cath or anyone else I help on chat after the meeting
[13:50] Steven Kosten: Trade I wanted Steven Kosten. I doubt that's
taken already.
[13:50] Catharina Jacobus: I have opened a page on the wiki for it..
[13:50] Steven Kosten: Alright Toga.
[13:50] Catharina Jacobus: Alex can build whatever we want but he needs ideas
[13:50] Trade Flow: no space in nicks and they are short
[13:50] Samira Kirax: I think all the time...almoste :-)
[13:50] Wolfear Clawtooth: I'll be here either after I switch back to
Linux or re-install icechat back on XP
[13:50] Wolfear Clawtooth: *there
[13:51] Steven Kosten: Ok thanks Trade.
[13:52] Samira Kirax: I read a paper about NoVista on their page
today...probably some nice text like that we'll make growing an idea
soon ;-)
[13:52] Rover Smit: Alex has troubles with connection
[13:52] Wolfear Clawtooth: Cath..you did get the page set up on the wiki
for the web site?
[13:52] Steven Kosten: Link Samira?
[13:53] Catharina Jacobus: Yes
[13:53] Wolfear Clawtooth: k
[13:53] Samira Kirax: I've not open the browser now...don't want to make
an offline as well
[13:53] Catharina Jacobus: http://4freedom.a.wiki-site.com/index.php/Website
[13:53] Wolfear Clawtooth: cool..thnx
[13:53] Samira Kirax: I'll put it on the wiki later
[13:53] Catharina Jacobus: wb Alex
[13:54] Trade Flow: Cath have you enabled the domains?
[13:54] Trade Flow: http://4-freedom.org
[13:55] Catharina Jacobus: no
[13:55] Trade Flow: its already pointing to the server as you can see
[13:55] Catharina Jacobus: We don´t know how to do that
[13:55] Wolfear Clawtooth: the domain is hyphenated?
[13:55] You decline A.R.t Galerie - New Boston Art Colony from A group
member named Teofila Matova.
[13:55] Trade Flow: yes
[13:55] Trade Flow: and http://4freedom.eu
[13:56] Trade Flow: coz we could not register the unhyphenated one
[13:56] Wolfear Clawtooth: np..what server is this on?..i see the page.
[13:56] Catharina Jacobus: It might be easier if we transfer the domain names
[13:57] Trade Flow: makes no differencee cath, all need to be done is
configure apache at the server to accept the name
[13:57] Catharina Jacobus: We do not have our own server
[13:57] Trade Flow: I can do it but I dont have root access to that server
[13:57] Catharina Jacobus: We use a hosting service
[13:57] Trade Flow: oh? who owns that server?
[13:58] Catharina Jacobus: the webhost
[13:58] Wolfear Clawtooth: you should have a control panel for configuration
[13:58] Trade Flow: send me the details of the webhost and I will talk
to them
[13:59] Catharina Jacobus: I do not want to be in the middle of this any longer..
[13:59] Catharina Jacobus: boyfriend has to build the website and he likes to have
them transferred
[13:59] Trade Flow: ok tell me who to transfer the doman names to
[13:59] Trade Flow: email e details
[14:00] Catharina Jacobus: ok thnx, will do that Trade
[14:00] Catharina Jacobus: then what needs to be on the website
[14:00] Catharina Jacobus: ?
[14:00] Catharina Jacobus: put some ideas there
[14:01] Toga Yorkshire: OK, #4Freedom is registered in freenode.
[14:01] Steven Kosten: How bout a forums where we can make suggestions
on the site.
[14:01] Toga Yorkshire: Remember it's case sensitive.
[14:01] Catharina Jacobus: A forum is on the list, but I never like empty an empty
forum and I am afraid ours will be like that..
[14:02] Trade Flow: agree
[14:02] Catharina Jacobus: What about a mailinglist?
[14:02] Steven Kosten: Well you could just have a suggestions thread for
now. Then when we get bigger you could more.
[14:02] Steven Kosten: mailinglist are one way.
[14:02] Trade Flow: wiki is ok as a poor man forum
[14:03] Catharina Jacobus: haha
[14:03] Wolfear Clawtooth: wiki is ok, but most people (like me) have
hard time with wiki formatting
[14:03] Trade Flow: same with dorum with their peculiar hyper text
[14:04] Trade Flow: forum
[14:04] Catharina Jacobus: Maybe there is an alternative to the Wiki, with a text editor
[14:04] Catharina Jacobus: Would prefer that too
[14:04] Wolfear Clawtooth: most forums now have editors built in so html
is really necessary
[14:04] Wolfear Clawtooth: * is not
[14:04] Steven Kosten: Plus there are plenty of free forums.
[14:05] Trade Flow: yes
[14:05] Catharina Jacobus: We will build the site in drupal or joomla, but probably drupal
[14:05] Steven Kosten: drupal?
[14:05] Catharina Jacobus: forum is technically not a problem
[14:05] Catharina Jacobus: Yes, drupal is some kind of CMS
[14:05] Trade Flow: drupal is a wiki?
[14:05] Wolfear Clawtooth: k...mailing list and news letters should be
included
[14:06] Steven Kosten: A website designer?
[14:06] Steven Kosten: Free?
[14:06] Catharina Jacobus: yes GPL
[14:06] Catharina Jacobus: ok newsletters..
[14:06] Wolfear Clawtooth: ummm..area for user submitted articles with
commentary
[14:06] Steven Kosten: Is it in the packet list or do I have to download
a deb from somewhere?
[14:06] Trade Flow: still suffering some security issues :-)
[14:06] Catharina Jacobus: I would like a blog, but we would need writers..
[14:07] Wolfear Clawtooth: Cath..user articles tie into your blog idea
[14:07] Trade Flow: writers usually write in theor own blogs
[14:07] Trade Flow: their
[14:07] Catharina Jacobus: hmmm also in group blogs...
[14:08] Catharina Jacobus: yes maybe an article directory
[14:08] Trade Flow: drupal has facilities for that
[14:08] Steven Kosten: How bout a blog section of the website. Where
each of us can write under our own names.
[14:08] Steven Kosten: If it wont take too much space.
[14:09] Catharina Jacobus: a lot is possible but it is about what we want..
[14:09] Wolfear Clawtooth: Steven..merbe articles would do that
[14:09] Wolfear Clawtooth: member*...darn I cannot type today
[14:09] Trade Flow: me too
[14:09] Catharina Jacobus: hmmm, we are overtime already..
[14:10] Catharina Jacobus: Well there is a page now on the wiki, where you can add
your wishes
[14:10] Steven Kosten: Any godo free editors out there that I could play
around with? Compatible with Ubuntu?
[14:10] Wolfear Clawtooth: Eclipse
[14:10] Wolfear Clawtooth: oh..what kind of editor...lol
[14:10] Trade Flow: Eclipse?
[14:11] Wolfear Clawtooth: Eclipse is the IDE I use for my progamming work
[14:11] Catharina Jacobus: Is this relevant to the meeting?
[14:11] Gennady Markstein: Es gibt keine Zeit :))
[14:11] Wolfear Clawtooth: i will give feedback on the wkik
[14:12] Wolfear Clawtooth: i give up..i can't type today
[14:12] Steven Kosten: I suppose it is since it has to do with the group
[14:12] Steven Kosten:
http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Text-Editing-Processing/IDEs/Eclipse-6880.shtml
[14:12] Catharina Jacobus: :-) ok Genny but we agreed in the beginning to keep this
meetings short and practical..
[14:12] Toga Yorkshire: For a freenode reference see -
http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[14:12] Trade Flow: Eclipse is not GPL :-)
[14:12] Catharina Jacobus: max. one hour
[14:12] Toga Yorkshire: I prefer using xchat
[14:13] Trade Flow: me too
[14:13] Steven Kosten: Eclips it says is GNU.
[14:13] Trade Flow: Eclipse is Eclipse license
[14:13] Steven Kosten: Hmmm I guess Softpedia is wrong then.
[14:13] Trade Flow: yup
[14:14] Steven Kosten: Do you have to pay for it?
[14:14] Steven Kosten: To use it?
[14:14] Trade Flow: I know Eclispe very well and we work with them
commercially too
[14:14] Trade Flow: its free
[14:14] Catharina Jacobus: Ok, resume... many things on the wiki need to be sorted out
this week, so please have a look at it, so we can make some real
decisions next week
[14:14] Wolfear Clawtooth: anyway....we need to post feeback on wiki for
website, petition and mission so far?
[14:14] Catharina Jacobus: Thanks all for attending our meeting and your participation
[14:14] Verklikker: TheBestFriend Johin is op bezoek
[14:15] Steven Kosten: A meeting in 1st Life would have been far more
boring.
[14:15] Steven Kosten: lol
[14:15] Trade Flow: same on IRC :-)
[14:15] Steven Kosten: It's been fun.