Meetings 04 May 2008

From 4freedom

The 4Freedom meeting of the 4th of May in the Year of Our Lord 2008 went like this:

[12:59] Titus Fitzpatrick: is it k now cath?
[13:00] Catharina Jacobus: yes, it is free :-)
[13:00] Titus Fitzpatrick: kewl :)
[13:00] Toga Yorkshire: Ref for meeting - http://4freedom.a.wiki-site.com/index.php/Talk:Representing_the_FSF
[13:00] Samira Kirax: Frunt your chicks again
[13:00] Samira Kirax: *Grunt
[13:01] Catharina Jacobus: Shall we sit down for the meeting?
[13:01] Samira Kirax: oh Titus...offensive today ;-)
[13:01] Grunt Ultsch: Sorry, phone
[13:02] Titus Fitzpatrick: xcuse me? :)
[13:02] Catharina Jacobus: ok Grunt
[13:02] Samira Kirax: hihi
[13:02] Grunt Ultsch: Anything wrong with my chickens?
[13:02] Samira Kirax: hmm I thought one attacked me
[13:02] Catharina Jacobus: Welcome all, did everyone see the agenda?
[13:02] Titus Fitzpatrick: lol
[13:03] Grunt Ultsch: Then you must have bugged him, sam
[13:03] Toga Yorkshire: http://4freedom.a.wiki-site.com/index.php/Meetings_Agenda%C2%B4s
[13:03] Samira Kirax: yep...but whole text of Trade was missing round 19h I guess
[13:03] Catharina Jacobus: Yes, thanks Toga
[13:03] Grunt Ultsch: I read the agenda
[13:03] Catharina Jacobus: Text of Trade missing?
[13:04] Samira Kirax: the FSF text & the pic he'd put some days ago
[13:04] Titus Fitzpatrick: hey grey
[13:04] Samira Kirax: yesterday was still there
[13:04] GreyGeek Kirax: Hi all!
[13:04] Samira Kirax: he Grey
[13:04] Toga Yorkshire: Ho Grey
[13:04] Grunt Ultsch: Hey Geek
[13:05] GreyGeek Kirax: Say, I was attempting to play with the Linux mono client with no success. Anyone else try it?
[13:05] Toga Yorkshire: Sam, do you want to lead in the FSF discussion?
[13:06] Grunt Ultsch: We're in a meeting, Geek
[13:06] Catharina Jacobus: Today it was still there too
[13:06] GreyGeek Kirax: Sorry, my opps!
[13:06] Catharina Jacobus: I think the links are wrong: http://4freedom.a.wiki-site.com/index.php/FSF_Architecture
[13:06] Samira Kirax: hmm I could but with plans we may wait till new island?
[13:06] Catharina Jacobus: np Grey Geek
[13:07] Samira Kirax: does Trade not show round?
[13:07] Trade Flow is Online
[13:07] Catharina Jacobus: Yes, he just does
[13:07] Samira Kirax: ah, as I mentioned ;-)
[13:07] Grunt Ultsch: Let's wait for trade. I'm a poet and I know it
[13:08] Catharina Jacobus: hahaa
[13:08] Toga Yorkshire: And your feet show it.
[13:08] Grunt Ultsch: :)
[13:08] Catharina Jacobus: there he comes flying like a rocket
[13:08] Catharina Jacobus: Hi Trade
[13:08] Titus Fitzpatrick: hey trade :)
[13:08] Trade Flow: Hi All
[13:08] Toga Yorkshire: Hi Trade
[13:09] Grunt Ultsch: hello
[13:09] Samira Kirax: hi Trade, just mentioned you & here you are :-)
[13:09] Trade Flow: :-)
[13:09] Grunt Ultsch: Sam summoned trade
[13:09] Catharina Jacobus: ok, so now we can start..
[13:10] Grunt Ultsch: 10 minutes late
[13:10] Trade Flow: Sam can summon me any time :-)
[13:10] Catharina Jacobus: Good to know Trade
[13:10] Titus Fitzpatrick: xcuse me, whats the name o streeamin artist-track's name?
[13:10] Samira Kirax: ok
[13:10] Ronnie Fargis is Online
[13:11] Catharina Jacobus: Anyway we got some more space yesterday from Trade for our group
[13:11] Grunt Ultsch: 1st Item is the petition?
[13:11] Catharina Jacobus: Yes, well liked to start with the good news :-)
[13:11] Grunt Ultsch: ok
[13:11] Catharina Jacobus: But ok, the petition
[13:11] Grunt Ultsch: Hurray for trade!!
[13:12] Toga Yorkshire: Cath, changes to remove GPL ref o\is ok by me,
[13:12] Ronnie Fargis: /
[13:12] Ronnie Fargis: Hey! all
[13:12] Catharina Jacobus: I think it is best to take this step first
[13:12] Titus Fitzpatrick: hi ron
[13:12] Grunt Ultsch: Hi ronnie
[13:12] Catharina Jacobus: Hey Ronnie
[13:13] Catharina Jacobus: Also noticed that there is a long known bug in SL that makes propriety stuff free...
[13:13] Catharina Jacobus: Has not been solved yet
[13:13] Trade Flow: Hi Ronnie
[13:13] Samira Kirax: hi Ronnie
[13:14] Grunt Ultsch: Has the bug anything to do with the petition?
[13:14] Toga Yorkshire: The question should only 1 person be permitted to change the petition? Like Grunt to avoid confussion?
[13:15] Catharina Jacobus: Yes Grunt, because if they can not handle it that way, they won´t be able to do that the other way too
[13:15] Catharina Jacobus: I think not.. I think edits can be made by everyone; the history will show that
[13:15] Samira Kirax: if we once make final text nobody should change it anymore and once is today or not
[13:16] Grunt Ultsch: So before we can present our petition we should first find out the details about the bug?
[13:16] Catharina Jacobus: We could take final parts of the Wiki over to the website
[13:16] Toga Yorkshire: What is the bug/
[13:16] Toga Yorkshire: ?
[13:16] Samira Kirax: shouldn't we put it to sign now or you think is nor priority...about text we talked 3 times so far
[13:17] Samira Kirax: & bug is other subject or not?
[13:17] Catharina Jacobus: I think so yes, but how can we do that best?
[13:17] Catharina Jacobus: Yes, leave the bug alone please
[13:17] Catharina Jacobus: forget I ever mentioned it
[13:18] Grunt Ultsch: ok
[13:18] Toga Yorkshire: Then shouldn't there be an end date for petition mods?
[13:18] Catharina Jacobus: So how can we promote the petition and make as many peoplse sigh as possible?
[13:18] Catharina Jacobus: I think that date is todat Trade
[13:18] Toga Yorkshire: Then have a signing
[13:18] Grunt Ultsch: good question
[13:18] Catharina Jacobus: sign..
[13:18] board_4freedom_wiki: Don't touch me there
[13:19] board_4freedom_wiki: Don't touch me there
[13:19] Grunt Ultsch: A big sign would be good
[13:19] Samira Kirax: didn't Kevin or so aready make a box in a meeting 1 month ago @ station?
[13:19] Samira Kirax: :-)
[13:20] Grunt Ultsch: Not as far as I know, but if he wants to Ronnie can make one before the meeting is over
[13:20] Catharina Jacobus: I think Ronnie made something before too..
[13:21] Samira Kirax: & I think we should spread it to other sims one can build free...I don't mean official sandboxes
[13:21] Grunt Ultsch: A script can easily identify the person who clicks it in agreement
[13:21] Catharina Jacobus: Ronnie, do you remember?
[13:21] Ronnie Fargis: what?
[13:21] Toga Yorkshire: And only votes once ;-)
[13:21] Catharina Jacobus: a box for the petition
[13:22] Ronnie Fargis: yes
[13:22] Catharina Jacobus: do you still have it?
[13:22] Grunt Ultsch: Sure, it should also check if the person hasnt voted already
[13:22] Catharina Jacobus: thanks
[13:22] Ronnie Fargis: dont know if this is the final one..
[13:23] Grunt Ultsch: Is it already presentable to us?
[13:23] Ronnie Fargis: i think its the final one
[13:24] Ronnie Fargis: does it work?
[13:24] Catharina Jacobus: it says time has expired..
[13:24] Grunt Ultsch: it says 'time has expired' frequently
[13:24] Ronnie Fargis: can somebody sing mine?
[13:25] Toga Yorkshire: Should't tehre be a 'Who has signed' list?
[13:25] Grunt Ultsch: Ok, now it checks for signing 2 times
[13:25] Catharina Jacobus: And how do you know who signed?
[13:25] Grunt Ultsch: There is, cut it is proprietary
[13:26] Grunt Ultsch: but
[13:26] Grunt Ultsch: Can you set the list free, ronnie, we are curious
[13:26] Ronnie Fargis: moment
[13:26] Ronnie Fargis: checking the script
[13:26] Grunt Ultsch: ok
[13:27] Grunt Ultsch: Let's leave ronnie to work and move on to another point of the meeting
[13:27] Catharina Jacobus: Yes Grunt
[13:27] Samira Kirax: ok
[13:27] Ronnie Fargis: ah i see, the scripts sends the list to an emailadres
[13:27] Loup Kanik: hi
[13:27] Titus Fitzpatrick: hey loup
[13:27] Catharina Jacobus: Representing the FSF
[13:27] Catharina Jacobus: Hi Loup
[13:27] Toga Yorkshire: http://4freedom.a.wiki-site.com/index.php/Talk:Representing_the_FSF
[13:28] Trade Flow: Hi Loup
[13:28] Ronnie Fargis: Ronnie Fargis Catharina Jacobus Trade Flow
[13:28] Ronnie Fargis: have signed
[13:28] Ronnie Fargis: i think i have to add some code...
[13:28] Grunt Ultsch: I liked some of the idea's of sam, like the ride on a gnome
[13:28] Catharina Jacobus: and http://4freedom.a.wiki-site.com/index.php/FSF_Architecture
[13:28] Grunt Ultsch: gnew
[13:28] Ronnie Fargis: so oter ppl can see the list too
[13:29] Grunt Ultsch: I think so too, ronnie, I see no reason why the list would have to be kept hidden
[13:30] Catharina Jacobus: I also like the theme park idea
[13:30] Ronnie Fargis: how should i present the names?
[13:30] Ronnie Fargis: email, llSay(), ??
[13:30] Samira Kirax: it works, just rejected my second try
[13:30] Ronnie Fargis: IM?
[13:30] Grunt Ultsch: not email, that scares the hell out of ppl
[13:30] Catharina Jacobus: uhhh.. the FSF
[13:30] Grunt Ultsch: Just their SL names
[13:30] Trade Flow: what will be in the theme park?
[13:30] Ronnie Fargis: but usually the list is to big for llSay
[13:31] Ronnie Fargis: IM?
[13:31] Grunt Ultsch: The list can be kept in the object content. then everyone who wants to can see it
[13:31] Trade Flow: put in a notecard and send the notecard
[13:31] Catharina Jacobus: Fun stuff, such as riding a gnu, a church for stallman, free music
[13:32] Ronnie Fargis: a script cant write a notecard...
[13:32] Catharina Jacobus: a penguin race
[13:32] Trade Flow: :-(
[13:32] Grunt Ultsch: But can it edit one?
[13:32] Ronnie Fargis: nope
[13:32] Grunt Ultsch: ok
[13:32] Samira Kirax: I'm still on the opinion that it should be "fun" so normal computer users come round & with having fun are introduced to the "hard" facts
[13:32] Toga Yorkshire: I agree with Sam.
[13:32] Trade Flow: so we need themes for the funpark
[13:33] Titus Fitzpatrick: will u promote open source first person shooters too? i mean halo avatar is pretty popular, so what if we give nexuiz av for free?
[13:33] Titus Fitzpatrick: n maybe shootin games with it
[13:33] Titus Fitzpatrick: hi danau
[13:33] Catharina Jacobus: yes Themes would be nice
[13:33] Catharina Jacobus: Hi Danau
[13:33] Grunt Ultsch: So how do we store the names of the ppl who signed it then?
[13:33] Trade Flow: need to look at educational games gthen we adapt for FSF concepts
[13:34] Euan Jacobus is Online
[13:34] Catharina Jacobus: Grunt and Ronnie, do you mind IM about the petition script?
[13:34] Grunt Ultsch: ok, sorry cath
[13:34] Toga Yorkshire: FSF should be supplying references.
[13:34] Samira Kirax: but first I need a multiple place teleporter again...I can connect then all 4freedom places...have not such script till now
[13:34] Catharina Jacobus: I know there is also an experiment with Sloodle, that is an integration of Moodle in Second Life
[13:34] Catharina Jacobus: But maybe a bit complicated to start with
[13:35] Titus Fitzpatrick: what if we motivate peep with pure fun n use the education as obstacle? like, "lemme tell what u learn about fsf
[13:35] Titus Fitzpatrick: then play"
[13:35] Titus Fitzpatrick: or get the avatar etc
[13:35] Catharina Jacobus: Yes games would be nice
[13:35] Samira Kirax: & people here want to dance to good sound & discuss...what I make now in first building might becom something like a "plaza"
[13:36] Catharina Jacobus: Yes an informal meeting plaza would be nice too
[13:36] Titus Fitzpatrick: "silly tux dance" i love it :)
[13:36] Catharina Jacobus: Maybe in the centre of the theme park?
[13:37] Grunt Ultsch: I think a list of questions about free software would also be fun, so that you can check your knowlegde and learn something
[13:37] Samira Kirax: we had some Lindens round by the way 2 days ago :-)
[13:37] Catharina Jacobus: Maybe a labyrinth with a test in it
[13:37] Trade Flow: yes grunt
[13:38] Samira Kirax: I dont mean money I mean staff :-)
[13:38] Trade Flow: a maze when you enter doors only open if you select the right answer
[13:38] Catharina Jacobus: that ends at the church of Gnu and with a tea stop at the plaza
[13:39] Grunt Ultsch: funny idea, trade, but then a lot may also remain hidden
[13:39] Titus Fitzpatrick: what about "a horror ride in a cave or smthin", about licences n stuffs...
[13:39] Trade Flow: yes
[13:39] Toga Yorkshire: With Billy G pop-ups to scare people?
[13:39] Catharina Jacobus: and Steve B
[13:40] Trade Flow: Billy G is no more
[13:40] Grunt Ultsch: Yes, first you ride in proprietary horror and then you end in the beautiful world of freedom
[13:40] Titus Fitzpatrick: n rick roll for the ambient lol :)
[13:40] Titus Fitzpatrick: yup
[13:40] Samira Kirax: hmm...horror is nice just to some people...I like the educational aproche but with FUN...I guess inworld this is realy possible
[13:40] Trade Flow: well people should put ideas on the wiki
[13:40] Catharina Jacobus: At least we seem not to have a lack of fantasy
[13:41] Samira Kirax: yep...who gives me that multiple tp script now?!
[13:42] Trade Flow: so where are we now on the agenda?
[13:42] Toga Yorkshire: 1/2 left accounting for 10 min late start.
[13:42] Object: List of signed people Ronnie Fargis Grunt Ultsch

[13:42] Catharina Jacobus is Offline
[13:43] Toga Yorkshire: The sand box.
[13:43] Trade Flow: oops cath crashed
[13:43] Samira Kirax: Titus as well
[13:43] Grunt Ultsch: where are we without cath...
[13:43] Danau Bailey: it seems the sand box areas have gotten much smaller
[13:43] Otaku Thor: if I could interject something - how are you plainning on catching intrest from the business comunity
[13:43] Otaku Thor: I may be out of order so sorry
[13:44] Otaku Thor: it
[13:44] Toga Yorkshire: Not in the plan so far, but a good point.
[13:44] Otaku Thor: its just that having games and rides are nice but business people may not see that as a reasion to stop in
[13:44] Toga Yorkshire: Cath can read the minutes for what she misses.
[13:45] Danau Bailey: are we waiting for Catharina?
[13:45] Trade Flow: yes
[13:46] Samira Kirax: if there is traffic people come & not that many businesses role on FSF rules so far...
[13:46] Samira Kirax: so many crucks & people calling stuff full perm even it is not
[13:47] Samira Kirax: but we have agenda no? Grunt you are so quiet?
[13:47] Grunt Ultsch: Sorry sam, I was busy IM-ing with ronnie
[13:48] Sour Wozniak is Offline
[13:48] Trade Flow is Offline
[13:48] Ronnie Fargis is Offline
[13:48] Danau Bailey: someone mentioned the sandbox before I crashed
[13:48] Ronnie Fargis is Online
[13:48] Grunt Ultsch: Let's put the idea's on the wiki about what to build, or are there things about the building that are urgent, sam? Abter all you are one of the builders
[13:48] Trade Flow is Online
[13:48] Danau Bailey: I said I had noticed the sand box area had gotten much smaller
[13:48] Ronnie Fargis: crash
[13:49] Samira Kirax: Trade also left...so I guess putting ideas on wiki si fine so far for that subject
[13:49] Grunt Ultsch: ok, next subject then
[13:49] Grunt Ultsch: new sandbox and building rights
[13:49] Toga Yorkshire: Sand Box
[13:49] Catharina Jacobus is Online
[13:49] Grunt Ultsch: Trade, what are the building rights?
[13:50] Trade Flow: well we need to discuss that
[13:50] Catharina Jacobus: hehe, sorry folks
[13:50] Toga Yorkshire: np
[13:50] Grunt Ultsch: What are your idea's about it?
[13:50] Samira Kirax: hi back Cath
[13:50] Catharina Jacobus: about what Grunt?
[13:50] Grunt Ultsch: We moved to point 3, cath
[13:50] Kalilah Beck is Online
[13:50] Samira Kirax: you were not the only one crashed
[13:50] Grunt Ultsch: ABout the building rights
[13:50] Trade Flow: we have 4freedom group that will have its members full access
[13:50] Catharina Jacobus: did you discuss Trade´s building for the FSF already?
[13:50] Trade Flow: and that will be set on the sandbox only
[13:51] Catharina Jacobus: and the architectal guidelines?
[13:51] Trade Flow: no we did not cath
[13:51] Grunt Ultsch: We just started, cath
[13:51] Catharina Jacobus: oh thought you moved to 3..
[13:51] Grunt Ultsch: cath doesnt want to miss anything
[13:51] Trade Flow: suggest we have another group called 4freedom residents
[13:51] Grunt Ultsch: This is point 3
[13:51] Trade Flow: that owns all land that should not be touched
[13:52] Trade Flow: ah ok
[13:52] Trade Flow: so FSF building then?
[13:52] board_4freedom_logo+http: Don't touch me there
[13:52] Catharina Jacobus: So what about the FSF building
[13:52] Samira Kirax: yep..
[13:52] Grunt Ultsch: eh no, we are still with the building of the FSF I understand
[13:52] Catharina Jacobus: I personally like the building Trade made a lot
[13:53] Grunt Ultsch: me too
[13:53] Grunt Ultsch: But it has many small rooms, I wonder if every room is suited to present something
[13:53] Trade Flow: so how much space we need to dedicate to FSF
[13:54] Toga Yorkshire: The red and withe one to the east?
[13:54] Titus Fitzpatrick: can u make it a paltform on the roof for space?
[13:54] Trade Flow: we can knock off walls :-)
[13:54] Catharina Jacobus: Yes Toga
[13:54] Titus Fitzpatrick: like m$ peeps doin lol
[13:55] Grunt Ultsch: I think the 2 buildings we have now should be enough
[13:55] Samira Kirax: nope
[13:55] Samira Kirax: not on new island
[13:55] Grunt Ultsch: No?
[13:55] Samira Kirax: but here?
[13:55] Grunt Ultsch: I was referring to here
[13:55] Catharina Jacobus: I think the one building should be the FSF building and the other parcels should be filled with the theme park
[13:56] Trade Flow: agree
[13:56] Grunt Ultsch: me too
[13:56] Titus Fitzpatrick: same here
[13:56] Toga Yorkshire: Yes
[13:56] Grunt Ultsch: One building is enough, and the other things should be open
[13:56] Catharina Jacobus: How many parcels can we use at this moment for the park Trade?
[13:56] Grunt Ultsch: What do you think, sam?
[13:57] Trade Flow: well you telll me and I will partitoin ans set ownership
[13:57] Catharina Jacobus: one hundred
[13:57] Trade Flow: currently we have 1/4 of teh island
[13:57] Titus Fitzpatrick: so, will the fsf should be in the center n must have the tallest tower in the area, m i right?
[13:57] Samira Kirax: I think the one beside this could be also...where the pavillion of openparliament stands?
[13:57] Trade Flow: in the new island wil be ythe center
[13:57] Samira Kirax: is also right on the idea of FSF
[13:57] Catharina Jacobus: Yes titus, could be right
[13:57] Titus Fitzpatrick: understood trade :)
[13:58] Trade Flow: no need for tall buildings
[13:58] Samira Kirax: bot moment still 600 prims or so are left
[13:58] Trade Flow: we can always have sky boxes and keep the island asthetic
[13:58] Catharina Jacobus: How many parcels is one quarter Trade?
[13:58] Trade Flow: 16
[13:58] Grunt Ultsch: It would be nice if the FSF would be the tallest building, but I dont think you can force that
[13:58] Samira Kirax: is ok...just if I want to give a brush on nature...I will have to use more plants :-)
[13:59] Catharina Jacobus: ok, so we need one for Grunt, one for me, one for the FSF building...
[13:59] Toga Yorkshire: How many parcels for FSF?
[13:59] Trade Flow: we can put the FSF building in place of where cath is
[13:59] Trade Flow: already FSF has 8
[13:59] Samira Kirax: tall..hmm I don't like skybuildings @ last inworld :-(
[13:59] Titus Fitzpatrick: at least its not tallest, i think it should magnet peeps. what if they use amusement park n leave?
[13:59] Grunt Ultsch: How many parcels do you want, sam?
[13:59] Catharina Jacobus: I could move yes, no problem with that
[13:59] Grunt Ultsch: 4?
[13:59] Catharina Jacobus: 5?
[14:00] Titus Fitzpatrick: maybe some particle n lightin
[14:00] Samira Kirax: is just a small problem that from original building I can not link all parts couse Alexies did them...guess I need to copy :-/
[14:00] Sour Wozniak is Online
[14:00] Samira Kirax: want...:-)
[14:00] Trade Flow: no particles, think of conserving cpu for the theme park
[14:00] Titus Fitzpatrick: yer right man, its already too laggy
[14:01] Grunt Ultsch: You have to figute that out with alex sam
[14:01] Trade Flow: I think we need to reengineer what we have so far location of parcels where FSF and theme park sits etc
[14:01] Samira Kirax: @ moment I need: builders, scripts & time to coordinate...
[14:02] Catharina Jacobus: Maybe better first make a plan for the themepark and then decide on parcels
[14:02] Trade Flow: ok
[14:02] Grunt Ultsch: yes cath
[14:02] Samira Kirax: is not easy to make a count on prims if ideas are not real concret ;-)
[14:02] Catharina Jacobus: And yes, we need builders and scripters
[14:02] Catharina Jacobus: But we got some..
[14:02] Grunt Ultsch: very true sam
[14:02] Trade Flow: well 1/4 of the sim is 7500 prims
[14:02] Trade Flow: no
[14:02] Trade Flow: 3750
[14:03] Samira Kirax: that's nice of course...still enough to make an idea of a them park :-)
[14:03] Titus Fitzpatrick: i can be volunteer for buildin, especially borin n simple jobs u dont wanna wast time :)
[14:03] Samira Kirax: & them park on new island ok?
[14:03] Catharina Jacobus: Nice Titus
[14:03] Toga Yorkshire: Seems like too much stuff in too little space.
[14:04] Catharina Jacobus: Maybe Samira can coordinate the builders and scripters team?
[14:04] Trade Flow: yes, and eberything including the themepark has to be full perms and owner is the FSF group
[14:04] Samira Kirax: couse we also found with the station that you can not link endless & than is not easy to move uge things?
[14:04] Grunt Ultsch: Well, we must take that into account then
[14:04] Trade Flow: there are scripts that rez large buildings maybe we can use them
[14:05] Samira Kirax: I came to limit already with the river...
[14:05] Grunt Ultsch: good idea trade
[14:05] Samira Kirax: large & linked over more than 30m is not the same I guess?
[14:05] Trade Flow: samira I have buildings on my inventory that are sim size
[14:05] Titus Fitzpatrick: wow
[14:05] Trade Flow: they use a scrupt to rez
[14:05] Samira Kirax: but of course you can script almost everything...
[14:05] Samira Kirax: ok
[14:06] Samira Kirax: so, just give me multiple tp script for the moment *lol*
[14:06] Trade Flow: ok
[14:06] Samira Kirax: & we need some dame good programmers
[14:07] Samira Kirax: to make an impressing ride for example
[14:07] Catharina Jacobus: yes
[14:07] Catharina Jacobus: Well if we make a challenging plan, they might show up
[14:07] Samira Kirax: couse I like to have smooth animations & not what you see mostly
[14:07] Toga Yorkshire: Time! Rentals and registrations next.
[14:07] Grunt Ultsch: I can try to be of help with scripting, only thing is that ronnie does everything about 10 times as fast as I do, so that is kind of frustrating
[14:08] Catharina Jacobus: yes, well we put up a reservation system again for people that want to rent space around here
[14:08] Samira Kirax: does anyone of you have contact to people of "Reezable"?
[14:09] Grunt Ultsch: I can set up a wiki page for enscriptions
[14:09] Catharina Jacobus: Yes, that would be great Grunt
[14:09] Grunt Ultsch: ok
[14:09] Catharina Jacobus: Maybe it should also be set in a way that the reservations go to you
[14:10] Hack Bashly is Online
[14:10] Grunt Ultsch: what do you mean? If you make a reservation the reservation is not for your neighbour, is it?
[14:10] Catharina Jacobus: I mean you get an e-mail then and not me
[14:10] Catharina Jacobus: for administrative reasons..
[14:11] Grunt Ultsch: that's complicated and not necessarily
[14:11] Catharina Jacobus: It is easy to change
[14:12] Grunt Ultsch: Just like we did with the free & open group worked well. You simply add your name by editing the wiki, and if you don't know how to do that you can always ask anyone else
[14:12] Trade Flow: already passed the 1hr
[14:12] Catharina Jacobus: Yes I know, sorry Trade
[14:12] Catharina Jacobus: Well one more urgent thing..
[14:13] Catharina Jacobus: people keep building up in the sky without us knowing
[14:13] Trade Flow: I have a solution to this cath
[14:13] Catharina Jacobus: yes, with the building rights..
[14:14] Trade Flow: yes and registerig a new group called 4freedom residents
[14:14] Trade Flow: the group will be owned by you of course
[14:15] Trade Flow: and will only have limited rights to few people who sometimes need space to build for events
[14:15] Catharina Jacobus: ok, but do you know Loorde Aeol or something?
[14:15] Trade Flow: no
[14:15] Catharina Jacobus: oh he said he had your permission to build up here
[14:15] Trade Flow: everybody else should use the sandbox or be resident otherwise no rights
[14:15] Catharina Jacobus: I agree
[14:15] Trade Flow: oh
[14:15] Samira Kirax: I saw him today...Sour was round as well
[14:15] Catharina Jacobus: We have a sandbox now..
[14:16] Trade Flow: Loorde Aoel?
[14:16] Trade Flow: sec
[14:16] Grunt Ultsch: I don't understand. How can someone build here if he doesn't own land?
[14:16] Samira Kirax: I guess to many people just wanna build free & join FSF or 4freedom group
[14:16] Catharina Jacobus: Aeol
[14:16] Samira Kirax: can't we just "clean" those 2 groups a bit?
[14:16] Samira Kirax: I mean the resident is also good idea specially for events
[14:16] Trade Flow: yes he is a resident in amagi I gave him some land as he wanted to do a project on Linux history
[14:16] Catharina Jacobus: Not needed if there will be a new group
[14:17] Trade Flow: but he has no perm to build on 4freedom land
[14:17] Catharina Jacobus: ok
[14:17] Catharina Jacobus: oh, but he does that I think
[14:17] Trade Flow: he is next to the commons area
[14:17] Toga Yorkshire: Should there be a description/entry about the 'Sand Box' on - http://4freedom.a.wiki-site.com/index.php/Main_Page ?
[14:17] Catharina Jacobus: but not sure about his location
[14:18] Trade Flow: yes Samira we need a group cleanup
[14:18] Samira Kirax: nope he's beside you
[14:18] Titus Fitzpatrick: fellas im terribly sorru, but gtg c ya later, ill catch u later :(
[14:19] Trade Flow: wait titus
[14:19] Catharina Jacobus: cu Titus and thanks
[14:19] Trade Flow: just one thing
[14:19] Catharina Jacobus: Ok Toga, that would be nice I think
[14:19] Ronnie Fargis: i have to go now...
[14:20] Catharina Jacobus: Thanks Ronnie and take care
[14:20] Ronnie Fargis: bye all
[14:20] Grunt Ultsch: Surely he didn't take that group clean up thing personally?
[14:20] Samira Kirax: CU Ronnie
[14:20] Catharina Jacobus: Bye bye
[14:20] Ronnie Fargis is Offline
[14:20] Grunt Ultsch: Bye ronnie
[14:20] Trade Flow: there are some incidents on amagi regarding some people doing things to residents
[14:20] Trade Flow: and I would liek to stop that
[14:20] Catharina Jacobus: What incidents Trade?
[14:20] Trade Flow: I had some complaints today
[14:21] Samira Kirax: so Trade I'll try to make List who shows round with FSF or 4freedom if I'm working...ok?
[14:21] Catharina Jacobus: What and how?
[14:21] Trade Flow: so please keep an eye on strangers who come here
[14:21] Trade Flow: and pass me their names or IM me
[14:21] Catharina Jacobus: Do you have any names yet?
[14:21] Trade Flow: yes some on the ban list
[14:22] Samira Kirax: like I said a Linden Officer was round 2days ago
[14:22] Trade Flow: so you will not see them
[14:22] Catharina Jacobus: oh that one, he treathened me too
[14:22] Suzan Littlething is Offline
[14:22] Trade Flow: also need to chek your plots for any scripts or prims
[14:23] Trade Flow: they might have some nasty code
[14:23] Catharina Jacobus: ow that is nice..
[14:23] Trade Flow: if they place them on your plots, so check the options
[14:23] Samira Kirax: hmmmm...I arrived 2 days ago with a very ugly face but I thougt I "caught" it before?
[14:23] Trade Flow: I posted a notice for residents
[14:24] Catharina Jacobus: Getting tired of these nasty persons..
[14:24] Trade Flow: well in new islan will think of a plan
[14:24] Trade Flow: one idea is to have a general landing point
[14:25] Trade Flow: open to everybody, and al other places are controlled via some sort of security orb
[14:26] Samira Kirax: hmm...very unfree, makes me sad :-(
[14:26] Catharina Jacobus: I do not like security all over
[14:26] Grunt Ultsch: May I bring my tank?
[14:26] Trade Flow: no, the security will allow everybody except certain people
[14:26] Toga Yorkshire: Explain need because of a--holes.
[14:27] Samira Kirax: ok...but anyway you can make banlist
[14:27] Catharina Jacobus: But we can ban them or not?
[14:27] Trade Flow: ban lists have a limit
[14:27] Samira Kirax: & small thing Trade: could we have picture in FSF Group info?
[14:27] Grunt Ultsch: Sure we can ban them, but they can make a new account, it's a rat race
[14:27] Trade Flow: sure Sam
[14:28] Trade Flow: I just enabled search on FSF too
[14:28] Toga Yorkshire: Different lists for members, visitors, banned and etc?
[14:28] Catharina Jacobus: yes well but we can deal with that if it gets that bad
[14:28] Trade Flow: that costs 30L$/week
[14:28] Trade Flow: yes cath
[14:29] Grunt Ultsch: 30LD a week is nothing
[14:29] Catharina Jacobus: ok, a bit of a messy meeting but also fun
[14:29] Trade Flow: I know
[14:29] Trade Flow: the meeting was fun, the chickens were making thiong messy
[14:29] Catharina Jacobus: :-)
[14:30] Toga Yorkshire: Think of sub- meetings for specific tasks.
[14:30] Samira Kirax: so thanx all...I'm waiting for creativ input on wiki :-)
[14:30] Trade Flow: yes
[14:30] Grunt Ultsch: It's only the cock's eggs that make things messy
[14:30] Samira Kirax: Grunt told you bout the chicks in the beginning *lol*
[14:30] Trade Flow: Samira is our creative circles officer
[14:31] Toga Yorkshire: Messy and productive. Good meeting.
[14:31] Grunt Ultsch: I can remove the chickens on our next meeting
[14:31] Samira Kirax: bettre take a black sheep I just got a following script :-)
[14:31] Trade Flow: grunt are they full perms?
[14:31] Catharina Jacobus: Thanks all anyway for your participation
[14:32] Trade Flow: gthanks cath
[14:32] Grunt Ultsch: As long as cath doesnt say that the meeting is over we keep sitting & talking
[14:32] Catharina Jacobus: tsssss
[14:32] Grunt Ultsch: Ok, over I understand
[14:32] Toga Yorkshire: hehe
[14:32] Trade Flow: ok over and out :-)